ccie_lab

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Feb 16th, 2007

To any one:

My name is Jacob,(ccna,ccsp)

I'm currently preparing for the ccieR&S lab exam, I have build me own personal lab consisting of 1x7206(npe150),5x2600xm,4x1600-routers, 2x 3550 switches and 2x 3500 switches, 1 pix 506e .

My questions are as follow.

I want to upgrade the ios on the 7206 router but I struggle to get authorisation to download from Cisco, can any one maybe give me advice?

I spend 6-8 hours a day studying on the lab, but don?t work full time in the industry

I am a fibre optic specialist and do deal with live interfaces from time to time,

Will I be able to pass the lab or do I really need to work 5 year like Cisco advice before I take the lab exam?

I feel the lab I have provide me with more than some businesses have is my lab big enough?

Thanks for the help!!

Jacob Botha

I have this problem too.
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Correct Answer by daviddtran about 9 years 7 months ago

Well, if cisco wants to make the CCIE lab

equivalent of 5 years experience, perhaps cisco

should modify the lab to reflect that. How is

it someone fault if they prepare hard for the

lab and passed it?

Getting a CCIE means you're an expert with

cisco products. It is by no means you're an expert in networking. Just the fact that you have to explain how to debug an ftp session doesn't prove anything, IMHO.

I can tell you that I've met may CCIEs who

are often clueless with Unix/Linux commands.

Most of them don't even know how to run

tcpdump. That does not mean he/she is not a

bad network engineer. I can also tell you

that I've worked with many CCIE Security who

have no clues when it comes to troubleshooting

Checkpoint or Juniper firewalls issues. It

doesn't mean that they're clueless. Last but

not least, I've worked with many CCIEs who

don't even know how to write a simple

expect/tcl script. It does not mean that

they are bad engineers.

In most situations, when someone obtain a

CCIE, it tells me that person is willing

to go through the pain and sacrifice to obtain

this achievement and therefore, deserve a lot

of my respect.

David

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daviddtran Fri, 02/16/2007 - 10:05

Hi Jacob,

If you're pursuing CCIE R&S, you do not need

Pix/ASA, IDS/IPS, VPNc, Cisco ACS. Those are

for CCIE Security.

You do NOT need to work five years like Cisco

advice. I passed the CCIE Security lab last

year with less than 5 years of experiences and

my day-to-day works are with Checkpoint and

Juniper Firewalls. I, fortunately, have my

own lab so that I can practice about 40 hours

a week for almost 9 months and I passed the

lab. Prior to that, I failed several lab

attempts because I did not put in enough

rack time.

If you are willing to put in the time and

resources for the lab, you can definitely

pass the lab even on the first attempt, if

you are prepared for it. Not working full

time in the industry has nothing to do with

it. It has to do with how much time you're

willing to spend on the lab rack. If you

spend a lot of time preparing for the lab, you

can pass it. It has nothing to do with

experience.

Having too much experiences, IMHO, can work against you in the lab because you may read

the questions differently and come up with different conclusions that cisco want.

Good luck in your preparation.

David

jacob.botha Fri, 02/16/2007 - 10:14

Hi David,

Thanks for the information, it gives me that peace of mind,I do also believe that experience has got nothing to do with it, after all if you can speak the language then you can talk the talk,

Thanks again.

Regards

Jacob

cristip Fri, 02/16/2007 - 13:52

I believe that Cisco recommends for CCIE 5 years experience if you want to get a job at a CCIE level.

I worked with a guy whose main concern was to get the papers. He was double CCIE by that time. You won't believe it..I explained him how to debug an ftp session that was failing ...

The right approach of a real life situation is often tested during the interviews and this is what gets you the job after all.

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daviddtran Fri, 02/16/2007 - 14:06

Well, if cisco wants to make the CCIE lab

equivalent of 5 years experience, perhaps cisco

should modify the lab to reflect that. How is

it someone fault if they prepare hard for the

lab and passed it?

Getting a CCIE means you're an expert with

cisco products. It is by no means you're an expert in networking. Just the fact that you have to explain how to debug an ftp session doesn't prove anything, IMHO.

I can tell you that I've met may CCIEs who

are often clueless with Unix/Linux commands.

Most of them don't even know how to run

tcpdump. That does not mean he/she is not a

bad network engineer. I can also tell you

that I've worked with many CCIE Security who

have no clues when it comes to troubleshooting

Checkpoint or Juniper firewalls issues. It

doesn't mean that they're clueless. Last but

not least, I've worked with many CCIEs who

don't even know how to write a simple

expect/tcl script. It does not mean that

they are bad engineers.

In most situations, when someone obtain a

CCIE, it tells me that person is willing

to go through the pain and sacrifice to obtain

this achievement and therefore, deserve a lot

of my respect.

David

jacob.botha Fri, 02/16/2007 - 14:25

Hi, Dave

Thanks for your input. You give me a lot of motivation I?m a hard worker and spend may hours and a lot of my own money on obtain ccie, not because I want to get a job but because I love doing it, and the knowledge I gain open doors maybe to a business idea I always say Knowledge is power ,power is money and money is freedom,

Thanks

Jacob

cristip Fri, 02/16/2007 - 15:00

Sory to stress this but ftp is a protocol as old as IP (read Internet). Dind't see anywhere in the Cisco curiculum "Unix is a must neither Checkpoint or Juniper " It's simply FTP. FTP is networking it's not programming neither sytem admin and nothing else you could have listed above.

Juniper Unix and Checkpoint have their own engineers. I haven't heard about an FTP engineer but there is still time for that :-)

Some times (and here I am aswering to "no need for experiece" too) the experience IS A MUST. Otherwise any fresh CCIE can be hired anywhere by anybody just because "he or she is willing to go through pain and sacrifice".

How about the company that has the need to hire such a professional ? Would it be "willing to go through pain and sacrifice" just because our guy has potential and a high IQ ?

The business needs the problem solved not "investigated" endless. It's abaout approach, the way you think, it's about work habbits and more than that.

Bottom line: you want the CCIE for the money, let's not be hypocrites here pretending we want the glory. After all you expect to be paid better after getting your CCIE. And yes the company would agree to pay you at that level ...otherwise a CCNP is good enough isn't it ? He may also have the IQ, the potential to do whatever the company wants and he/she will ask for less than a CCIE.

The problem has been discussed endless and my point there was that the experiece is needed after you get the paper. It is not needed to pass the exam !

jacob.botha Fri, 02/16/2007 - 15:13

Hi,

You do make a valid point, as you know it is a though industry with many challenges

But the way I look at it is , if you obtain ccie, isn?t part of your training to trouble shoot any scenario?

In any technology doesn?t matter what your specialty is , you will reach a point where feel confident enough to approach any problem with a solution, that?s why we are professionals, and obtaining a ccie, you will have to spend many hours studying to basically make your devices ?dance?, and if you can do that in the lab with no hassles why would you need experience to do that in the real world?

garylupwd88 Sat, 02/17/2007 - 12:47

Hi:

If you happen to know how to debug a ftp session on cisco router, which you think you know better than some one, then share your knowledge with them, The ccie you work with may know something you don't know, by no means ccie would know everything, and something you think is basic which people should know may not be true due to the technology advances so quickly, the things you know may already become obselete, one thing ccie can prove to us is that they have the skill to follow the technical trend, they have the foundation to advance their networking skills

jacob.botha Fri, 02/16/2007 - 14:13

Hi,

You know what I couldn?t agree with you more there is nothing in life so annoying if some-one claims fame if his not famous,

I?m a professional and would never take on a project if I will disappoint a customer, but I do believe if you intelligent enough to have a deep knowledge you don?t need experience, it?s like understanding the concepts of maths. A light put on in your head.

Thanks for your input I do agree with you.

Regards

Jacob

daviddtran Fri, 02/16/2007 - 17:07

Based on what you said, then why would you

anyone give Eli Manning or Phillip Rivers big

contracts with 20M in bonus when they are first

drafted into the NFL, and they have NO NFL

experiences? It's all potentials and future

projection. If you don't like it, too bad.

It's a free country, capitalism, supply and

demand.

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