Get MARS its own Subforum under Security?

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May 29th, 2007

Anyone know how we can lobby to get a (sub-)forum for MARS issues? I see a fair number of posts under "General" but it's harder to sift out the other General questions without a separate list. Someone had a question today about custom rules and/or queries, I've had such a question my self - seems like this would be a good way to share this information more easily.

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Paul Trivino

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mhellman Tue, 05/29/2007 - 10:09

I'm all for it. Certainly it would get more activity than the PCI forum that was recently created.

pmccubbin Tue, 05/29/2007 - 10:25

Excellent suggestion. Given that Cisco is the market leader for SIM/SEM products it sure would help us share information more easily.

Just my 2 cents.

PAUL TRIVINO Wed, 05/30/2007 - 08:19

I'm hoping to get more than two replies to indicate our interest to Cisco...thanx.

andrew.burns Thu, 05/31/2007 - 00:08

I don't disagree with MARS having it's own forum but you've highlighted a problem that applies across all the forums. Many issues (most?) are product related but the forums are organised across technology lines, with a lot of overlap.

If you've used the forums for a while you realise that some subject-matter experts only hang out in one forum (Application Networking springs to mind) but questions about CSS, CSM and GSS appear all over - with a recent tendency to collect in Enterprise Networking (which clearly states "Mainframe connectivity, SNA Switching Services, DLSw+, managing SNA/IP"). My point is that there is no forum moderation for questions - and many people just don't seem to know where to post a question.

I'm not saying there is no moderation (there is - and it's very good at getting rid of spam, abuse, and the like) but there should be *question* moderation, with inappropriate posts moved to the correct forum - but without a better forum structure I can't see this being feasible.

Personally, I'd like to see an overhaul, with a specific forum for each product line (including MARS!) as well as possibly a *few* cross-product technology forums.

And maybe a forum to talk about the forums ;-)


PAUL TRIVINO Thu, 05/31/2007 - 12:10

But not all, Matthew, I didn't know but I will definitely chek it out.

I guess it's both good and bad that such a forum exists outside Cisco's control...;^)


tsteger1 Thu, 05/31/2007 - 08:00

Good points all. I especially like a forum forum!

That being said, I've seen it in other forums where the old hands will gently nudge new posters to a forum where they'll have the best chance of a good answer.

That may be all we have for now...


PAUL TRIVINO Thu, 05/31/2007 - 12:07

Good points, Andrew. It had not clicked with me that the forums are structure so, but you're right. It's not an easy issue, often resolving an issue involves multiple products/approaches. I agree, given that it's a Cisco site, product-related would be somewhat better for the forums.

I also agree about Forum Moderators - and if the forums were reorganized (assuming most folks agree) it would not be a huge amount of time needed, I imagine one person could moderate all forums for "question location" issues.

Thanx for the reply!


pcomeaux Thu, 05/31/2007 - 21:08

Great points, all.

Since I agree completely, I'll contact the team that moderates the forums and see if they can review the forum layout.

Thanks for vocalizing that your use could increase if changes are made to the structure.

I like to help out on posts where I can, but agree that it's not exactly clear where to ask about MARS, CCA, CSA, Intellishield, etc.

I know last I asked a few years ago, there was concern that there may not be enough volume for a CSA only group, for example.

Keep the comments coming on how you would use a new structure, propose a structure, or anything else creative, as the team will likely be reading your comments.



Wilson Samuel Fri, 06/01/2007 - 05:40

Hi All,

I'm brand new user/admin for MARS (Just started a week ago, though I have had quite a good amt. of experience in the CSA, PIX and VMS environment).

I find it really fair challenge to get the MARS going through my mind since its just not an appliance or just another Cisco Framework, but rather a paradigm shift from just closed environment DTM to a broader environment DTM.

It shall be great relief and ease of deployment / design for all MARS newbies.

Kind Regards,

Wilson Samuel

tsteger1 Fri, 06/01/2007 - 13:54

Hi Peter, welcome back!

Haven't seen you around for a while.


PAUL TRIVINO Mon, 06/04/2007 - 12:52

FYI I used the "NetPro Feedback" link to make this suggestion, referencing this thread. That was Thursday or Friday but I have not heard back - they're usually quicker than that (perhaps they're thinking about it?)

Thanks to all posters!


pmccubbin Mon, 07/09/2007 - 11:26

I'm glad to see this post has resurfaced.

After giving it some thought maybe we need a better way of searching through posts. I don't pretend to be an expert on the Search NetPro function, though here is my thought which could be applied to all the forums:

If someone has a MARS question they could begin the Conversation Title with the word "MARS" and then the subject of their question.

For instance, MARS: Custom Parser.

Adopting this convention would also make it easier to scan the list of conversations for topics of interest.

In sum, maybe we don't need a separate forum for MARS, though I would certainly welcome it. Instead the current situation might be improved by a more generally accepted convention for posting topics.

Just my 2 cents. Any thoughts?

PAUL TRIVINO Mon, 07/16/2007 - 09:56

I have two thoughts (which is a LOT for me! ;^)

1. Good idea, that will certainly work if everyone does it. I do always to to get an "enforceable" rule (i.e., use a drop-down box instead of allowing user input), but it would help a lot.

2. I am disturbed that this post has been in the forum for around 45 days and no one from Cisco has said "Yes we can and will do this" or "No we won't" so we're left wondering. I did also send to NetPro feedback and received no reply. Disappointing.

But thanx all for the discussion!


Daniel Bruhn Mon, 07/16/2007 - 17:28


We are currently in the process of revisiting how our security forums are structured. There are numerous issues that need to be taken into account when topics are changed. For example, NetPro rating point reassignments raise difficulties. Please realize that your comments have been heard. If you have suggestions on how forums should be structured please post them here and be assured everything will be considered.


Dan Bruhn

NetPro Moderator

PAUL TRIVINO Mon, 07/16/2007 - 19:47

Dan, thank you for the update. I need to partially correct myself, Peter Comeaux did post a reply but he's (apparently) not officially "NetPro."

I recognize there are some alternative ways to structure things, but having thought about this a while I will opine that there needs to be "product" forums at a minimum, with additional and/or alternate-view "technology" forums depending on user desires.

Also, again just my two cents, I don't give a darn about NetPro points, I want to help and be helped, I have enough trouble making points with the guy who signs my timecard...;^)

Thanx again.


IliaYablonko Sun, 08/03/2008 - 01:49

Absolutely agree! Cisco MARS users are needed in professional forum where Cisco engineers will be involved to.

P.S. How can I rate this topic?

Farrukh Haroon Sun, 08/03/2008 - 18:25

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