CCIE certification

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Sep 4th, 2007
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Hi every1 i m pursuing ccie certification, but as u guys know that ccie number is increasing so rapidly that i m sure by end of this year it will exceed 19000 !! do u think is it still worthwile to go after this certification ? i m not gonna stop my preparation but still want ur review on it,

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mohammedmahmoud Tue, 09/04/2007 - 02:49
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Hi,


I live by a simple rule in this matter, if the number is rising up and all those are real CCIEs, then the field would take them as this career is getting wider an wider each day, plus there is always a space for a CCIE, a good CCIE and an excellent CCIE, and on the other hand if many of them are paper CCIEs, then it won't take the person who is interviewing them more than 10min to understand this.


Just my opinion.


HTH,

Mohammed Mahmoud.

Jon Marshall Tue, 09/04/2007 - 03:54
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Hi


I would second Mohammed's comments and would just like to add. CCIE certification will only make you better at what you do. If you pursue it because of the interest you have in the subject and your desire to learn more then it is absolutely worthwhile pursuing it, whichever track.


I would do so myseif i weren't so bone idle :-).


Jon

abbas.wasim Tue, 09/04/2007 - 06:29
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dude go for it, theres 10 million doctors on the streets but they still earn so why wouldn't you?

Edison Ortiz Tue, 09/04/2007 - 06:33
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Don't be caught up on the numbers. They are increasing so rapidly because people in the field are seeing its value.


Many companies are demanding current/future employees to have such certification. They don't want someone touching their network without the highest level of certification.


Keep in mind, being a CCIE doesn't make you any better than those without the CCIE. I've come across individuals without a CCNA that know their way around a Cisco network. IMHO, they are truly expert - CCIE caliber expert but either they don't have the time or dedication to pass a Cisco exam. I don't knock them for that.


However, now that companies are demanding such certification, the testing centers are booked with high demand. Getting a Lab date for the CCIE is as hard as passing the Lab !


The number can be as high as 100,000, but it doesn't take away that you are a CCIE.


BTW, there aren't 19,000 CCIEs out there. As of August 2nd, there are only 15,062


http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.html



illusion_rox Wed, 09/05/2007 - 12:41
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I checked on internetwork and ipexpert site and even my friend got his CCIE in Feb his number was in 17000, i dont know why cisco is misreporting the numbers but they are more than wat they have documented, wat u guys think about juniper certification isnt it much more valuable than cisco's ? i have seen people who have never seen IPS or ASA but they are certified CCSP, whereas juniper takes a lab exam at its professional level, i m not here arguing whos better just want to know about wht u guys think about it, thts for sure that juniper is a competitve vendor so is it wise to pursue its certification ?

thanks

Edison Ortiz Wed, 09/05/2007 - 14:34
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My number is 17943


Cisco isn't misreporting the numbers. The numbering system started at 1024, there isn't a CCIE #1


You also have to account for CCIEs who have lost their number for various reasons. The total count is presented on the link I posted.


I can't comment on other certifications. You have to decide what you love to do. If you love working with Cisco products, then the clear path is obtaining a CCNP or CCIE. If you enjoy working with Juniper products, then choose their certification path.


We can't make that choice for you. Good luck !


illusion_rox Wed, 09/05/2007 - 23:24
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Thanks for all ur replys every1, i m not making any choices yet just want to know that which certificaton is better to be pursued ? i like routing and switching, that i can also find in juniper (except switching) so its same for me to work either in cisco or juniper but wat u guys think wat is the market value of juniper now and in the years to come ?

Edison Ortiz Sun, 09/09/2007 - 04:59
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You have to do some due-diligence. Check with technical recruiters in your area and find out what Certification has the the most demand.


A certification will get you the interview but it will not get you the job.

paul.matthews Mon, 09/10/2007 - 05:27
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It is not misrepresenting!


Bear in mind that they did not start at 1. I think the first CCIE was 1025, that is 1,000 straight away.


Also not everyone keeps CCIE. It has to be recertifies and the 350-001 is tough now.

mbroberson1 Tue, 09/11/2007 - 09:24
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One thing about the number of CCIE's Cisco won't tell you is that there may be 15000+ CCIE's worldwide, but this is only the number of CCIE #'s that have been given since it's inception. This is not the number of CCIE's currently certified with current CCIE status. That number is far fewer, as much as 50 to 60% less according to inside Cisco sources than the number reported from Cisco's CCIE website for the total number of CCIE's.

Edison Ortiz Tue, 09/11/2007 - 10:54
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Brandon,


That number reflects the current CCIEs. If you lose the status, the number will decrease.


For instance, when I obtained my number (17943), the website display a little under 15,000 so you have a 2,500 to 2,700 difference. That's the number of CCIEs who have lost their cert for various reasons.



paul.matthews Wed, 09/12/2007 - 00:00
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I think you may have a little innacuracy here.


We have a minor disagreement about the first number issued - 1024 or 1025 - but we are in agreement on the first being of that order.


Numbers being issued at the moment are in the region of 20,000 or so. From http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.html we get the current count to be a little over 15,000. There is this a dfference of 5,000 between the high number and the current issuing number. Remove 1,000 for the start point and we have a difference of around 4,000.


When I first looked at the figures by country it struck me as odd that Belgiium was so high, until I remembered where the TAC is in Europe...


Anyway, back to the discrepancy on start number. The tale I heard was that 1024 was indeed the start point, but the lab was CCIE 1024, and the first real person was 1025!

paul.matthews Wed, 09/12/2007 - 04:31
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OK, so my numbers are a little out - the point I was making still holds that I suspect the Cisco published figure is reasonable of around 15,000 *active* CCIEs worldwide.


That is still not a big number!

Edison Ortiz Wed, 09/12/2007 - 07:33
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Paul,


I fully agree with your point. The numbers aren't high at all. 15,000 worldwide is still a minuscule amount.


Getting a Lab date is as hard as passing the Lab. The numbers are increasing because people are taking the certification seriously.


That's a good thing, IMHO.


Kevin Dorrell Wed, 09/12/2007 - 07:48
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I agree - 15,000 is a small number. If I look at it from a local perspective, there are 7 in little Luxembourg. Well, Luxembourg may be small, but:


- a number of big banks are based here,

- companies like Skype are based here,

- SES-Astra (the satellite people) are based here,

- European Institutions such as the Commission, the Parliament, and the Court of Justice are part-based here.


Suddenly 7 CCIEs does not seem to be an enormous number.


Kevin Dorrell

Luxembourg


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