Two antennas in AP1242AG

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Nov 8th, 2007
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Dear Sirs.

I want to install two 2.4 GHz antennas into AP1242. I want these antennas to cover different zones. Is it possible and what settings should I apply in AP?

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dennischolmes Thu, 11/08/2007 - 08:07
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It is possible but not suggested as you lose the capability of antenna diversity as well as confuse the roaming algorithms in a WLC if the unified platform is the one that you are using.

bcolvin Thu, 11/08/2007 - 12:11
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to the best of my knowlwdge the 1242 only transmits on one antenna at a time and will only switch the transmit function to the second when retrying so using the second antenna to cover another zone is not really reccomended. the two antennas are used for diversity and the software expects them to have similar coverage.


Bill


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Rob Huffman Thu, 11/08/2007 - 13:37
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Hi Alexei,


Just wanted to add a little info to the excellent and accurate replies from Dennis and Bill.


The use of two Antennas on these AP's is used for "Diversity Mode" and won't change the stated transmit power of the Antenna as only one Transmits at any given time. Here is an explanation for the use of two Antennas :)


This describes the use of 2 **Identical Antennas in "Diversity" Mode;


The purpose of diversity is to overcome multipath reflections. Diversity antennas that share the same physical housing are placed at an optimum distance apart. The maker of the particular antenna determines that distance based on the characteristics of the antenna. When you use a pair of antennas with matching characteristics to provide diversity for cell coverage in your facility, the guideline is to put those matched antennas at a distance apart from each other that is equal to a multiple of the wavelength of the frequency that is being transmitted. The 2.4 GHz wavelength is approximately 4.92 inches. Therefore, to support diversity on a 2.4 GHz radio with two separate antennas, the antennas should be spaced approximately 5 inches apart. The antenna pair could also be spaced at multiples of 5 inches, but the distance between should not exceed 4 multiples: reflected waves farther apart than that are likely to be so distorted and different in delay spread that the radio could not work with them.Because each antenna is selected by itself, both antennas must have the same radiation characteristics and be positioned to provide similar cell coverage.


**** Two antennas connected to the same access point must not be used to cover two different cells.****


From this good doc;


Multipath and Diversity


http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note09186a008019f646.shtml



"You can relate this to a common occurrence in your car. As you pull up to a stop, you may notice static on the radio. But as you move forward a few inches or feet, the station starts to come in more clearly. By rolling forward, you move the antenna slightly, out of the point where the multiple signals converge.

A diversity antenna system can be compared to a switch that selects one antenna or another, never both at the same time. The radio in receive mode will continually switch between antennas listening for a valid radio packet. After the beginning sync of a valid packet is heard, the radio will evaluate the sync signal of the packet on one antenna, then switch to the other antenna and evaluate. Then the radio will select the best antenna and use only that antenna for the remaining portion of that packet.

On transmit, the radio will select the same antenna it used the last time it communicated to that given radio. If a packet fails, it will switch to the other antenna and retry the packet.

One caution with diversity, it is not designed for using two antennas covering two different coverage cells. The problem in using it this way is that, if antenna no. 1 is communicating to device no. 1 while device no. 2 (which is in the antenna no. 2 cell) tries to communicate, antenna no. 2 is not connected (due to the position of the switch), and the communication fails. Diversity antennas should cover the same area from only a slightly different location."


Diversity Antenna Systems


Diversity antenna systems are used to overcome a phenomenon known as multipath distortion of multipath fading. It uses two **identical antennas, located a small distance apart, to provide coverage to the same physical area.



From this Antenna reference guide;


http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps469/products_data_sheet09186a008008883b.html


Hope this helps!

Rob



AlexioUBS Thu, 11/08/2007 - 23:56
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Hi Denis, Bill and Rob.

I have a task to make a coverage in two refrigerators (4 m wide and 10 m length) standing near one another. I made a survey and saw that locating AP with ANT-2485PR in front of refrigerators' door gives adequate coverage inside it. The purpose of my first question was to know if it is possible to locate two antennas in front of each refrigerator (at a distance about 4 m from one another) to insure good signal strength in both refrigerators. So, the coverage zones are slightly differnet.

Will it work?

Warm regards

Alexei.

Rob Huffman Fri, 11/09/2007 - 06:15
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Hi Alexei,


Even though this isn't really the recommended method for the use of two Antennas (as noted above) why don't you give it a try :) Do a Lab type setup first (no permanent mounting etc) and see which works better for you in this environment. My bet is on the two Antennas being about 4-5 inches apart but who really knows without trying.


Maybe even just one centrally located Antenna set up as Primary might be the best bet.


I think that given the parameters of the two refrigeration units, the coverage should work just fine with the equipment you have proposed.


Hope this helps! Let us know what the final outcome is.


Rob

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