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Hi every body!
Few weeks ago, i posted a question on the forum " why waste two subnets( subnet zero and broadcast subnet)?" I find a very good material about it on new ccna book by Wendell Odom .
To make my point , let say we have class B network 188.8.131.52.. I subnetted it using mask 255.255.192.0
The all possible subntes are:
184.108.40.206 ( broadcast subnet).
According to Wendell. the reason we avoid using 220.127.116.11 is ambiguity. For example, the major class B assigned to us , is 18.104.22.168. The broadcast address for this class b network is 22.214.171.124.
But the broadcast address for subnet 126.96.36.199 is also 188.8.131.52. When used, should this address be considered as broadcast address for subnet 184.108.40.206 or for class B network 220.127.116.11? For this reason, the broadcast subnet was avoided.
But i also read we can use this subnet now. Newer ios has " ip subnet zero" enabled by default. My question is when we do use this broadcast subnet, how do we handle the ambiguity mentioned above? Should we say this ambiguity is small price to pay rather than wasting the whole subnet after all this ambiguity will cause the whole network( i.e the all subnets in 18.104.22.168) to receive the broadcast traffic occasionally not all the time? ( the book did no go into how this ambiguity is overcome or not overcome at all)
Thanks a lot and have a nice weekend!
As I think about this point I believe that there is another factor which has tended to confuse the discussion about possible use of the broadcast subnet. In looking at the number of usable addresses in a subnet we lose the zero address and the broadcast address. I believe that many people carry that concept over to the discussion about usable subnets and conclude that you can not use zero and broadcast subnets.
Since there used to be recommendations that you SHOULD not use the broadcast subnet (see for example RFC 950) many people carry the restriction that you CAN NOT use the broadcast from the question of addresses (where it is correct) to the question of subnets (where it is not correct).
I have a lot of respect for Wendell Odom and the folks at Cisco Press who produce these books and they produce books whose accuracy is pretty good. But in this case they are absolutely incorrect. IOS has NEVER prevented use of the broadcast subnet.
I have worked with IOS since release 9.14 where "no ip subnet-zero" was the default. With no ip subnet-zero if you attempted to configure an interface with the zero subnet you received an error message. But if you configured the broadcast subnet it was accepted and worked just fine.
There may have been debate in the earlier releases about whether you SHOULD use the broadcast subnet or not. And lots of sources said that you should not use either of the subnet zero or the broadcast subnet (and the discussion tended to lump the subnets togeter in discussion). But IOS has never prevented the use of the broadcast subnet the way that it did prevent use of subnet zero.
First I would like to clear up something: the command ip subnet-zero does not have anything to do with the "broadcast" subnet. It is only involved with the "zero" subnet - the very first subnet in the network (and technically it is the subnet where the subnetting bits are all zero). In very early Routing RFCs this subnet was restricted and in early versions of IOS the subnet was restricted. The ip subnet-zero command was used to override that restriction. For a long time that restriction has been lifted.
I would then observe that while abstractly there is ambiguity about the broadcast subnet, that there is no practical impact of it. The only time that the entire network 22.214.171.124 has a network broadcast address of 126.96.36.199 is if the network is not subnetted. In this case a packet addressed to 188.8.131.52 will go to every device in the network. As soon as the network is subnetted you can no longer send a single broadcast that will go to the entire network. As soon as the network is subnetted the address of 184.108.40.206 is uniquely associated with the last subnet of the network.