ATA186/VG224 + Analog Cable Distance

Apr 23rd, 2009

Hi there !

When I use an ATA186 or a VG224 how far can be an analog telephone ?

Thanks.

Andrei.

Hi Andrei,

We use the VG248 (the VG224 older brother :) to supply an Analog device at one of our Grounds Buildings which is at least 600m away. This is via a Tie Cable (24 gauge wire). The max distance listed by Cisco is 975m for a phone with 1 REN. The specs are for the ATA, but the VG's should be quite comparable. Have a look;

This info is from an old Cisco doc;

Q. What is the maximum distance from which I can drive an analog device with a Cisco ATA?

A. Table below provides maximum distances for this question.

Ring Load (per RJ-11 FXS Port) Maximum Distance

5 REN 200 feet (61 m)

4 REN 1000 feet (305 m)

3 REN 1700 feet (518 m)

2 REN 2500 feet (762 m)

1 REN 3200 feet (975 m)

Ringer equivalence number

In telecommunication, a ringer equivalency number (REN) is a somewhat arbitrary number which denotes the loading a telephone ringer has on the line.

A ringer equivalency number of 1 represents the loading effect of a single "traditional" telephone ringing circuit, such as that within the Western Electric Model 500 desk telephone. Note that modern telephone equipment may have a REN significantly lower than 1: as a rough guide, externally-powered digital-ring phones may have a REN as low as 0.2, while modern analog-ring phones (where the ringer is powered from the phone line) typically have a REN around 0.8.

The total REN for a subscriber's line is simply the sum of the RENs of all devices connected to the line; this number expresses the overall loading effect of the subscriber's equipment on the central office ringing current generator. The local telephone company usually sets a limit on the total REN, typically 5 or less.

If the total allowable REN load is exceeded, the phone circuit may fail to ring (or otherwise malfunction). In extreme cases, the telephone service provider may temporarily disconnect an overloaded line to reduce load.

While REN is a United States-developed yardstick, analogous systems exist internationally. In some countries, (particularly in Commonwealth nations), the REN is better known as the ringer approximated loading number (RAL). In the United Kingdom it is called the ringer equivalence number and a maximum of 4 is allowed on any British Telecom (BT) line.

From Wikipedia;

Hope this helps!

Rob

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Hi Andrei,

We use the VG248 (the VG224 older brother :) to supply an Analog device at one of our Grounds Buildings which is at least 600m away. This is via a Tie Cable (24 gauge wire). The max distance listed by Cisco is 975m for a phone with 1 REN. The specs are for the ATA, but the VG's should be quite comparable. Have a look;

This info is from an old Cisco doc;

Q. What is the maximum distance from which I can drive an analog device with a Cisco ATA?

A. Table below provides maximum distances for this question.

Ring Load (per RJ-11 FXS Port) Maximum Distance

5 REN 200 feet (61 m)

4 REN 1000 feet (305 m)

3 REN 1700 feet (518 m)

2 REN 2500 feet (762 m)

1 REN 3200 feet (975 m)

Ringer equivalence number

In telecommunication, a ringer equivalency number (REN) is a somewhat arbitrary number which denotes the loading a telephone ringer has on the line.

A ringer equivalency number of 1 represents the loading effect of a single "traditional" telephone ringing circuit, such as that within the Western Electric Model 500 desk telephone. Note that modern telephone equipment may have a REN significantly lower than 1: as a rough guide, externally-powered digital-ring phones may have a REN as low as 0.2, while modern analog-ring phones (where the ringer is powered from the phone line) typically have a REN around 0.8.

The total REN for a subscriber's line is simply the sum of the RENs of all devices connected to the line; this number expresses the overall loading effect of the subscriber's equipment on the central office ringing current generator. The local telephone company usually sets a limit on the total REN, typically 5 or less.

If the total allowable REN load is exceeded, the phone circuit may fail to ring (or otherwise malfunction). In extreme cases, the telephone service provider may temporarily disconnect an overloaded line to reduce load.

While REN is a United States-developed yardstick, analogous systems exist internationally. In some countries, (particularly in Commonwealth nations), the REN is better known as the ringer approximated loading number (RAL). In the United Kingdom it is called the ringer equivalence number and a maximum of 4 is allowed on any British Telecom (BT) line.

From Wikipedia;

Hope this helps!

Rob

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