Integration of KIRK dect

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Apr 30th, 2009
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Hi,


I'm wondering if it's possible to integrate a KIRK dect system to a UC520 solution?? Any help on this issue is appreciated


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Eivind

Correct Answer by Marcos Hernandez about 7 years 10 months ago

I also found old documentation where the interop testing was successful. However I can't find them (or Spectralink) in the list of current certified partners. This means there are limitations in terms of TAC support and some other claims. Having said that, we can try to help you with the configuration, but we can't rubberstamp it as certified, or guarantee interop. I hope you understand.


From the docs I found:


"Kirk's IP Enabled system consists of a Wireless Mobility Server also known as the CCFP, DECT phones, Base stations and most important the IP Card. The IP card sits within the WMS and communicates to CME using Skinny over TCP/IP.


It is possible to have up to eight base stations per WMS; the maximum number of DECT phones that can be used simultaneously per base station at any one time is four. The number of DECT phones that can be registered on a single Kirk IP phone is 350 users.


Kirk can support only 29 simultaneous calls as they are limited by H/W to 29 channels (26 if using Codec Cards)."


I hope this helps,


Marcos

Correct Answer by Marcos Hernandez about 7 years 10 months ago

I did some more research and it seems that older KIRK DECT systems are actually certified with CME. Not so the newer Spectralink units. I'll do some more digging. In any case, it seems KIRK has a base station that basically behaves like a 7940 doing native SCCP. I also found that it supports H.323.


Let me get back to you with the actual scope of what we do and don't.


Thanks,


Marcos Hernandez
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Marcos Hernandez Fri, 05/01/2009 - 03:35
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Hi Eivind,


At this point in time, UC500 does not offer native DECT support (as in a base unit), if that's what you are asking.


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Marcos Hernandez
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Eivind Jonassen Fri, 05/01/2009 - 03:53
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Hi Marcos


No, I'm asking if it's possible to integrate it :)


Regards

Eivind

Marcos Hernandez Mon, 05/04/2009 - 11:03
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Can you elaborate Eivind? "Integrate" is a tricky word...


Marcos

Eivind Jonassen Mon, 05/04/2009 - 11:17
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Marcos,


We have some customers which have deployed a DECT solutin with their existing PBX, like Ericsson, NEC or Alcatel. But if we want to sell a cisco UC520 solution to replace the older PBX we have a cost related problem due to replacement of the exiting DECT system. If there was some way to make the DECT solution work / integrate with the UC520 that would be great. I´m not very familiar with the DECT system, and that´s why I´m asking. I know that with the Alcatel and NEC platforms they have a interface card installed in the PBX which "talks" to the DECT solution. So what I´m wondering is that maybe there is like a box which can replace the interface card in the old PBX??? Replacement of a DECT solution with a wifi voice network is not an option. The cost is to high.


Regards

Eivind

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Marcos Hernandez Mon, 05/04/2009 - 11:27
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I did some more research and it seems that older KIRK DECT systems are actually certified with CME. Not so the newer Spectralink units. I'll do some more digging. In any case, it seems KIRK has a base station that basically behaves like a 7940 doing native SCCP. I also found that it supports H.323.


Let me get back to you with the actual scope of what we do and don't.


Thanks,


Marcos Hernandez
Technical Marketing Engineer
Cisco Systems, Inc.

Eivind Jonassen Mon, 05/04/2009 - 11:38
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Thanks Marcos,


Any help on this is much appreciated :)


Regards

Eivind


I found this PDF which basically says that the KIRK solution is Cisco compatible:

http://www.kirktelecom.com/Reseller/KIRK%20IP%20Solutions_EU.pdf


A guide on how to set it up or if it´s also compatible with the UC520 would be great ;)


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Marcos Hernandez Mon, 05/04/2009 - 13:03
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I also found old documentation where the interop testing was successful. However I can't find them (or Spectralink) in the list of current certified partners. This means there are limitations in terms of TAC support and some other claims. Having said that, we can try to help you with the configuration, but we can't rubberstamp it as certified, or guarantee interop. I hope you understand.


From the docs I found:


"Kirk's IP Enabled system consists of a Wireless Mobility Server also known as the CCFP, DECT phones, Base stations and most important the IP Card. The IP card sits within the WMS and communicates to CME using Skinny over TCP/IP.


It is possible to have up to eight base stations per WMS; the maximum number of DECT phones that can be used simultaneously per base station at any one time is four. The number of DECT phones that can be registered on a single Kirk IP phone is 350 users.


Kirk can support only 29 simultaneous calls as they are limited by H/W to 29 channels (26 if using Codec Cards)."


I hope this helps,


Marcos

Eivind Jonassen Tue, 05/12/2009 - 08:10
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Thanks Marcos,


I'll get back to you by e-mail once we've provided a demo for our lab.


Regards

Eivind


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nqklew Wed, 02/24/2010 - 05:38
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Hi, any news for this ticket ?

I've the same problem and before offering this solution I would like to know if anybody has a working installation witk Kirk Wireless Server 600v3

Thanks,

                 luigi cacco.

Marcos Hernandez Wed, 02/24/2010 - 05:43
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No updates on our side (Cisco). Maybe someone else have done this.

Eivind Jonassen Wed, 02/24/2010 - 05:51
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Luigi,


I had another partner contacted me about this, I gave him contact info to a distributor here in norway. I'll send him a mail and ask him if he can bring an update.


Thanks,

Eivind

Eivind Jonassen Thu, 02/25/2010 - 12:21
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Luigi,


I´ve got the reply from the other partner.

He got the solution working with a Kirk 600v3 in combination with UC520. Make sure you get the Kirk 600v3 with a SCCP license ;)


Regards

Eivind

j.veltjen Fri, 02/26/2010 - 03:04
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Hi Eivind,


Kirk just emulates a cisco phone so there is no problem with integration.
It is the same integration as with CUCM.


Best regards,

Jerco

Kenjie-San Wed, 12/01/2010 - 02:31
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Sorry for pushing this old posting, but i have a Kirk 600v3 with a Skinny license, but it's not registrating a phone in Cisco UC520.


Has someone a working Config?



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MY UC520 is working with Polycom KIRK 600v3

I tested it with the factory default settings file 8.0.4 from Cisco; all dect-phones will be listed as an unregistered c7940 phone. Here a short Howto:



Polycom KIRK 600v3 Configuration

- Webinterface Login: admin/ip1200

- Configuration\General: under tab "license" you need a Skinny licence, without you can not choose Skinny

- Configuration\General: under tab "info" you will see "version" this is the firmware of Kirk 600v3 and  you will see "Firmware" this is the firmware of the included dect radio module. Make sure both are updated on the latest release. You will need also the „system ari“ number, for registering dect phones later.

- Configuration\ETH0: Here you can choose if you like to use dhcp (tab „DHCP“) or use a manual ip adress (tab „IP“): you will need ip, networkmask and gateway. You can tag your traffic to switch it in a specific vlan unter tab „vlan“

      - Configuration\DECT: under tab „system“ enter name: DECT and Pwd: ip1200, here you can use polycom skinny configuration manual

- Configuration\DECT: under tab „master“ configure mode=active, Protocol=skinny, GK=ip-adress of your voice-gateway

- Configuration\DECT: under tab „radio“ configure Radio-Id=1

- Administration\DECT: under tab „users“ select „new“:

Long_Name=SEP+IPEI of your DECT-Phone (for example SEP000770915677)

Name= SEP000770915677 (for example)

Number= 500

Password= not necessary (=user pin in CCM/CCME/UC500)

Display Text=500

Auth. Code= not necessary (all not configured DECT-Phones in this part do not get access, they will be listed under tab „unknown“)


DECT-Phone Configuration

- IPEI number you can find under menu\status\firmware_version

- Add dect-phone to Polycom KIRK 600v3 you have to go menu\settings\advanced..\login\create_login. Now their will be a list of all reachable dect-systems, you have to choose the dect-system with the „system ari“ number of Polycom KIRK 600v3