ASK THE EXPERT - PREPARING TO TAKE CCIE ROUTING & SWITCHING

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May 22nd, 2009
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Welcome to the Cisco Networking Professionals Ask the Expert conversation. This is an opportunity to get information about CCIE Routing and Switching with expert Maurilio Gorito. Maurilio is a triple CCIE #3807, having certified in Routing & Switching in 1998, WAN Switching in 2001, and Security in 2003. Maurilio has more than 23 years of experience in networking including Cisco networks and IBM / SNA environment which includes the planning, designing, implementation and troubleshooting of large IP networks running RIP, IGRP, EIGRP, BGP, OSPF, QoS and SNA worldwide, including Brazil and USA. Maurilio has worked for Cisco Systems, Inc. since 2000 with the CCIE Team. As program manager, he is responsible for managing the content of the CCIE Routing & Switching certification exams and has more than 9 years of experience proctoring CCIE Lab exams.


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Hi , I have (cisco 3845-both sides)a remote site connected thru VPN and back up as V-SAT - so sometimes when my vpn goes down i want access to our organization Applications , mail and Internet thru my head office thru v-sat

my Head office network : 172.17.X.X

my remote network : 172.20.X.X

does cisco 3845 supports auto sensing of this backup link

mgorito Tue, 05/26/2009 - 20:32
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Hi,

I'm sorry but this discussion forum is not intended for technical discussions. It is intended to discuss guidelines on how to better prepare to take the CCIE R&S exams.


Regards,

Maurilio

ciscolu21 Fri, 06/05/2009 - 03:10
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Hi Maurilio,


Do you have any advice for candidates on how to approach a open ended question if we feel there is awkward or ambiguous wording? The proctor in Brussels told us we could not get up from our desks until we hit submit. Thank you.

mgorito Fri, 06/05/2009 - 08:11
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Hi Hector,


I can see the proctor telling this as the section is 30 minutes short and he or she will not comment on the technical aspect of questions but still available to clarify if the candidate has doubts on the question's wording.


We are looking this very closely when developing the questions to have the wording clear and direct to avoid the candidate's need for clarification.


Regards,

Maurilio


abdulazeezm Sat, 05/23/2009 - 00:55
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hi

our corporate site and the remtoe site have been connected through IP-VPN, and the two sites are having Cisco Router(3845, 3725) pix firewall 515 for security, which has inside separate dmz (ISA)for each sites, each is having separate internet connection through lease lines, the problem now is the remote site lease line went down from THE ISP. now can we redirect the internet traffic from the corporate site to the remote site, for that purpose what steps should i have to follow on the pix firewall of remote site, corporate site,(i mean if i ping from from the corporate lan to the remote dmz it should be pingable ), as well as on the two routers....



your responce will be highly appreciated



Abdul Azeez.

MAADEN

[email protected]

mgorito Tue, 05/26/2009 - 20:35
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Hi,

I'm sorry but this discussion forum is not intended for technical discussions. It is intended to discuss guidelines on how to better prepare to take the CCIE R&S exams.


Regards,

Maurilio

Manish Prasad Sun, 05/24/2009 - 13:38
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Hello Gorito,


In the new series of CCIE RS there are some more new topics are added.Could you brief me about the new syllabus or any link to help me out.

thotsaphon Sun, 05/24/2009 - 21:30
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Hi Maurilio,

Please provide us with the right way for preparing Core Technologies questions.


Thanks in advance

Toshi

mgorito Tue, 05/26/2009 - 21:07
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Hi Toshi,


One good way to prepare for the Core Knowledge questions is along with your preparation to the lab exam where you will be applying the overall concepts during your hands-on practice studying.


During that section you will be asked concept questions about technologies that are listed on the lab exam blueprint so while you are preparing to take the lab exam you are implementing all those concepts and then you will be well prepared for that.


Regards,

Maurilio


mgorito Tue, 05/26/2009 - 20:55
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Hello,

The main changes on the new CCIE R&S v4.0 certifications standards are:


1. The addition of MPLS/VPN, EIGRPv6 and the emphasis on troubleshooting.

2. The addition of a separated 2 hours troubleshooting section to the exam.


We did not remove any topics from the syllabus and we will cover the certification standards (aka blueprint) through 3 sections:


1. Open Ended Questions: up to 30 minutes.

2. Troubleshooting: up to 2 hours.

3. Configuration: up to 5 1/2 hours.


You can find more detailed information on the CCIE R&S v4.0 at

https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-4605


Regards,

Maurilio


omar.elmohri Thu, 05/28/2009 - 07:57
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Maurilio,


Is the troubleshooting part will be independent of the whole configuration? Or just a part included before starting the configuration?


Regards,

Omar

mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 08:02
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Hi Omar,


The Troubleshooting section will be independent from the Configuration section, i.e., it will be presented on a different scenario.


Once you finish the Troubleshooting you will move to the Configuration section that will be presented on a new scenario or topology.


Regards,

Maurilio


Eddy Michael Ac... Sun, 05/24/2009 - 22:14
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hi Maurilio Gorito.


I would really apreciate a more Inside View of the new Troubleshooting Section in the CCIE R&S 4.0 Revision.


Thank you in advacne.

mgorito Tue, 05/26/2009 - 21:20
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Hi,


The Troubleshooting section will have a maximum of 2 hours. The candidate will be presented a series of questions or 'trouble tickets' for a given scenario or topology. The referred topology will pre-configured.


Based on the information provided such as IP addressing diagrams, IGP routing diagrams, and so on you will work to identify and fix the issues. You will be given points for working scenarios.


Regards,

Maurilio

mgorito Tue, 05/26/2009 - 21:24
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Hi I'm not sure about your question.


I'm sorry but this discussion forum is not intended for technical discussions. It is intended to discuss guidelines on how to better prepare to take the CCIE R&S exams.


Regards,

Maurilio


gaurav_dixit06 Tue, 05/26/2009 - 00:55
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Hi Maurilio Gorito,


Please let me know about the CCIE LAB more as i want to build for me rack ...what i need minimum Cisco Devices required for me ,what is IOS (i know it has mentioend on Cisco Web) ...but i need the exact data.


Could you share with me about the all devices...as i do have Router 2600,2500

and switches 2900,3550.


IS there a lot chnage in troubleshooting wise in CCIE LAB v3 to CCIE LAB V4.


Please let me know that how can i build the network for me .


Regards,

Gaurav

mgorito Tue, 05/26/2009 - 21:35
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Hi Gaurav,


The minimum number of devices to build a good practice rack would be 5 routers and 4 switches. We will have a mix of 1841 and 3825 ISR routers, and 3560 switches.


The set up you have is a good one for practice.


The changes on troubleshooting are that on the new v4.0 we will have a dedicated 2 hours troubleshooting section. A pre-configured scenario focuses on troubleshooting issues.


The candidate will be presented a series of questions or 'trouble tickets' for a given scenario or topology. The referred topology will pre-configured.


Based on the information provided such as IP addressing diagrams, IGP routing diagrams, and so on, you will work to identify and fix the issues. You will be given points for working scenarios.


Regards,

Maurilio


gaurav_dixit06 Tue, 05/26/2009 - 21:49
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Hi Maurilio,


Thanks for your prompt reply ...as i planning to give my CCIE LAB on Ver3 only ..So there will be some other structure ....Kindly let me know that Router with the Module info so i will get the same ...e.g. one router for FR ,then 6 Routers..4 Switches...but can u tell me in more deep to setup my LAB to do more hard study.


Regards,

Gaurav Dixit

mgorito Tue, 05/26/2009 - 22:06
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Hi Gaurav,


The routers have 2 LAN ports, usually fast Ethernet, and 2 serial ports. You might have a additional router to be your FR switch. We use 24 port switches so it allows us to have a full back-to-back connections between the switches and have all routers LAN ports connected as well.


Regards,

Maurilio


gaurav_dixit06 Tue, 05/26/2009 - 22:20
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Great to see your reply....Can you also share with me that if i will be having Router 2600,2811,3600 and Switches 3550 &3560 ..also one 3600 Router i am planing to make as FR with 6 Serial Connection to connect all Routers.

If you can also share with me Module as per router which i can use ..


thanks again for your reply ..


Regards,

Gaurav Dixit

mgorito Tue, 05/26/2009 - 22:38
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Hi Gaurav,


As I mentioned we will have a mix of 1841 and 3825 ISR routers, and 3560 switches. Each router will have 2 LAN ports modules and 2 Serial ports modules. We don't disclosure specifics but the modules are basic modules.


Having a 3600 as your FR is a good choice.


Regards,

Maurilio


gaurav_dixit06 Tue, 05/26/2009 - 22:41
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Great to see your reply....can you please tell me on CCIEV3 Topology...


thanks for your info about CCIE V4...


thanks again for your reply ..


Regards,

Gaurav Dixit

Robert Phillips Thu, 05/28/2009 - 18:26
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Based on your last post does that mean the 3725 routers and 3550 switches are already gone for the Version 3 lab? I did not think the 1841's where going to be in operation until version 4.


I have also heard that SecureCRT is the terminal program used in the lab. If this is true can you provide the version number of SecureCRT currently being used and is there any plans on upgrading or changing the terminal program.

mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 20:10
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Hi,


You are correct, the 3725 routers and 3550 still on v3.0 and will be gone on v4.0. Also the 1841 will be added in v4.0. The fact on preparation is that you can still preparing to v4.0 using the current v3.0 devices.


The SecureCRT we are using is v3.0 and there is no plan of upgrading or change it at the moment.


Regards,

Maurilio


gaurav_dixit06 Thu, 05/28/2009 - 20:18
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Dear Maurilio ,


As you mentioned we will have a mix of 1841 and 3825 ISR routers, and 3560 switches.

Howmany 3825 and 1841 will be in CCIE LAB V4.


As currently we do have CCIE LAB V3.I am more keen to know about the Open question ....is Proctor going to ask or it is automated same like other theory papers.....


As i had mentioned that i am building up my own lab ....what is minimum serise of devices i can play ..can i arrnage 3600 All routers ...as i can get the same and which IOS ( i know in blue print but can you share with me exact .tar file so i can download for me .) i will be in need to both 3600 Router annd Switches (3550 & 3560 ) if you can tell me exact IOS Imaage then it would be great help for me to understand better and clear the lab exam with hardwork...


Thanks again for your kind support for us .


Regards,

Gaurav Dixit



mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 20:30
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Hi Gaurav,


The number of exact devices might change from lab exam to lab exam that is why we don't give the exact number of them or model. The minimum number of router you should consider is 5 and it can be either two 3825s and three 1841s or two 1841s and three 3825s. The switches I'd recommend four 3560s.


In regarding the IOS I recommend you to use the latest available 12.4(T) for the routers and the latest 12.2 for the switches.


The Open ended questions are done on the computer by yourself, so no Proctor will be interviewing you.


Regards,

Maurilio




Robert Phillips Wed, 05/27/2009 - 20:44
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My question is about the Doc CD as used on the V3 exam. During my practice I use the link www.cisco.com/web/psa/products/index.html I assume on the actual lab I will have access to a similar version. Is that true? If so do I have the same level of information such as all technotes, troubleshooting guides and configuration guides?


Any information you can provide as to what may be different on the version that can be used during the lab and the online version would be a great help.

lawrence_prine Thu, 05/28/2009 - 07:39
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Hello Maurilio,


I have two questions about the new Troubleshooting section in the upcoming CCIE 4.0 lab:


1) Will this section be scored in an 'all or nothing' fashion similar to the current Core Knowledge section (in which you need to score a minimum percentage to get all of the points, but you will receive zero points if that minimum percentage is not met)?


2) Will Cisco be releasing a sample Troubleshooting ticket similar to the sample Core Knowledge questions that are currently posted?


Thank you for your time.


- Lawrence

mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 07:57
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Hello Lawrence,


The Troubleshooting section will have a certain number of trouble tickets and points allocated to the section. You will receive credits for the points you get. Your score on this section will show as, 30%, or 50%, or 80%, and so on.


You will need to get a minimum of 80% on each section of the exam to pass on the CCIE lab exam.


Yes, we are planning to post a sample Troubleshooting questions/trouble ticket for study reference.


Regards,

Maurilio


twarner28 Thu, 05/28/2009 - 22:57
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Hi Maurillo,


Thank you for sharing information with the Group.


Regarding the sample troubleshooting questions/trouble tickets, could you please post to this group or provide us the link?


Thanks you.

mgorito Fri, 05/29/2009 - 08:05
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Hi Tim,


We are preparing a sample of the troubleshooting questions to be posted and as soon we have it I'll post the link here.


Regards,

Maurilio


simontibbitts Thu, 05/28/2009 - 07:49
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Hi Maurilio.


Are you able to tell us about the keyboards that you use in the labs? I know it sounds a little pedantic to ask but I think if I am confronted with a different keyboard layout in the lab it will slow me down quite a lot. I have my lab booked for Brussels, if you are able to say what the keyboard make/model and language layout is it would help me very much.


Thank you

Simon

mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 08:22
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Hi Simon,


We use logitec qwerty keyboard and the language is English.


Regards,

Maurilio

jldodson Thu, 05/28/2009 - 10:21
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Hi Maurilio,


Thanks for hosting this session of Ask the Expert.


My question is regarding the Open Ended Questions/Core Knowledge section of the lab. Is the Windows calculator available during this part of the lab?


Thanks,

Jeff

mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 16:13
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Hi Jeff,


The only available tool during the Core Knowledge section is the Notepad. No calculator is available.


Regards,

Maurilio


Rodrigo Marchin... Thu, 05/28/2009 - 12:18
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Hi Maurilio!


I want to know how many tasks in the lab we will have in v4?

I think that in lab v3 we have almost 40 tasks, correct?

Lab v4 will have only 5.5 hours.

Lab v3 we have 7.5 hours.


Thanks

Rodrigo Marchina Soares

mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 13:25
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Hi Rodrigo,


Yes, the v3.0 lab exam has about 36 to 40 questions.


The configuration section on v4.0 will have something around 25 to 30 questions on 5.5 hours.


Regards,

Maurilio


Rodrigo Marchin... Thu, 05/28/2009 - 12:40
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Hi Maurilio,


I will do my first try in CCIE R&S Lab v3 and I am a little afraid about open ended questions.

I am preparing reading Cisco Press Certification guide version 3 and doing Core Knowlodge questions from InternetworkExpert.


I don't know how the questions are show.

Do I have to memorize RFC numbers?

Are the questions related to the lab configuration, topology interpretation, output commands? I don't know if you can tell in this level.

mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 13:35
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Hi Rodrigo,


One good way to prepare for the Core Knowledge questions is along with your preparation to the lab exam where you will be applying the overall concepts during your hands-on practice studying.


During that section you will be asked concept questions about technologies that are listed on the lab exam blueprint so while you are preparing to take the lab exam you are implementing all those concepts and then you will be well prepared for that.


You may find questions the will have an output command and / or a topology for your interpretation, but not memorization questions such RFC numbers.


Regards,

Maurilio


petr_lopuhov Fri, 05/29/2009 - 01:56
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Maurilio,


First of all, thanks for the chance to communicate with the actual CCIE lab exam developer!


Next, could you please confirm my understanding of the new exam format and grading procedures:


As I see it, the exam consists of three section. A candidate must obtain the PASS mark in *every* section in order to pass the exam.


Sections:


(1) Open Ended Questions (OEQ) (0.5 hours): 3 questions in total; A candidate needs to answer two questions out of three correctly to get the PASS mark in this section. The results are graded by a human. A total of 30 minutes are allocated to finish this section.


(2) Troubleshooting Section (2 hours). A configuration is loaded in the candidate's rack, and the candidate is presented with a troubleshooting scenario, formatted as a series of trouble-tickets. Additionally, L2, L3 IGP diagrams are presented for reference.

Every ticket has a point allocation. The results are graded by the verification script and confirmed by a human. A relative score of 80% must be obtained to get the PASS mark for this section.


(3) Configuration Section (5,5 hours). A new scenario, different from the one presented during the Troubleshooting section is presented to the candidate. The formatting is similar to the old exam, with the tasks, point allocation, diagrams and so on.

The approximate number of tasks here is 25-30. The section results are graded by the verification script and confirmed by a human. A relative score of 80% must be obtained to get the PASS mark for this section.


A candidate may finish every section in advance and move forward to the next section. However, the candidate is not allowed to return to any previous section.


And I still have some questions to ask you:


Q1: How many tickets should a candidate expect during the troubleshooting section?

Q2: Is the old rule "80 point of 100" no longer valid? Many people assume the new exam has the following point allocation: OEQ (21), Troubleshooting + Configuration (79).

Q3: As for MPLS VPN topics, what is the extent covered in the new blueprint? Will advanced scenarios such as CsS, Inter-AS VPN, MPVN, MPLS TE be included as well?


Thanks in advance for your answers!


Petr Lapukhov, CCIE#16379 (R&S/Security/SP/Voice)


mgorito Fri, 05/29/2009 - 08:23
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Hi Petr,


Your overall assumptions are correct and very well put. Below just a few clarifications:


1. The Open Ended Questions are 4 questions total and the candidate needs to get at least three out of four.


2. The total score of the CCIE lab exam still 100 points, now divided between the three sections. At this point I can't disclose the exact point allocation per section but you can expect the Configuration section to have between 25-30 questions and the Troubleshooting section to have between 10 to 15 trouble-tickets.


3. Regarding of MPLS we are planning to cover the basic configurations on label switching, VRFs and L3VPN. No advanced scenarios will be part of the exam.


Regards,

Maurilio


mgorito Tue, 06/02/2009 - 14:31
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Hi Dinesh,


No, we are working designing the exams so no need to memorize specific port numbers, RFCs, multicast addresses, and so on. We do agree with your comments.


Regards,

Maurilio


nayyarhak Thu, 05/28/2009 - 17:25
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Hi Maurilio,


Thank you for opening up this channel to answer questions from prospective CCIE RS candidates.


I will be attempting the Lab exam in few days and would like to know the media on which the exam is will be presented to me. Would it be on-screen or paper format?


In addition, will the terminal software that I will be using support tabbed access to devices?


Thank you.


Kind Regards,

Nayyar

mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 20:03
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Hi Nayyar,


It's a pleasure to be here.


The exam is delivered in paper and the terminal emulator is the SecureCRT.


Regards,

Maurilio


gregtin2004 Thu, 05/28/2009 - 18:59
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Is it possible to have the candidate leave the exam if he fails the open ended or troubleshooting section to preserve the integrity of the tests?

mgorito Thu, 05/28/2009 - 20:20
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Hi,


The candidate will be graded only at the end of the day so even if the candidate fails in one of the sections he or she still going through all three sections.


There will be a big concern on integrity of the exams as all three sections are totally independent, per example the scenario or topology presented on the Troubleshooting section will be different from the configuration section.


Regards,

Maurilio


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