07-17-2009 08:45 AM - last edited on 03-25-2019 07:52 PM by ciscomoderator
We currently have Bogen and Valcom paging amplifiers connected to our Nortel Option 11. We would like to move this paging gear over to a Cisco 2811 Gateway/CUCM 4.1(3). How do I determine what type of VWIC is required in the gateway to support this configuration?
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07-17-2009 11:37 AM
Hey Michael,
Hahaha!! I wish I was a Cisco madman :)
OK, this final result does tell us what we need to know. That the current setup is actually using a Trunk or FXO style port. This means that the you can use either an FXS or FXO on the Cisco side as long as you order up the TAMB mid-point integration piece (very cheap $$). You should be good to go.
Cheers!
Rob
07-17-2009 09:04 AM
The best way would be documentation or determining what the old configuration was.
Barring that - if it is FXS you should be able to plug an analog phone into it and get dial tone.
Outside of finding some more information out, that would be the only test. If you already have a VIC2-2FXS you can try configuring it and seeing if that works.
hth,
nick
07-17-2009 09:16 AM
Hi Michael,
Just to add a note to the great tips from NIck (+5 points here Nick:)
If you can;
Access the Nortel
Go into Load 20
Prt
PAG
The output may look like this;
REQ: PRT
TYPE: PAG
TN
CUST 0
DATE
PAGE
DES
TN x.x.x.x
TYPE PAG
CUST 0
RTMB 1 1
SIGL EAM
STRO IMM
SUPN NO
CLS UNR DTN CND WTA LPR
P10 VNL
DATE NO DATE
If it is set for E&M we will then know.
But more than likely it will look something like this;
TN x.x.x.x
Type Pag
cust 0
xtrk xut
Timp 600
BIMP 3com
RTMB 4 1
Sigl LDR
Stro IMM
Supn yes
Ast no
IAPG 0
CLS unr,dtn,cnd,wta,lpr,thfd, p10,ntc
Date No date
natc
DTC 001
In this case where a Nortel Paging card is being replaced, you will need some "mid-span" type device. In the Nortel setup with the XUT set for Paging, when someone dialed DN xxxx the Paging Card would answer and just "Bridge" the Audio over to the Amp. All the Smarts so to speak are in the Nortel Paging Card (Ring detection, Audio Cut-through etc) so the equivalent is to use this Part with an FXS Port. This TAM-B is required in 99% of the cases I have seen.
Something like this;
http://www.camelectronics.com/botateacmo.html
Hope this helps!
Rob
07-17-2009 09:30 AM
Rob / Nick -
Thanks for the great direction here.
Rob -
I tried your Nortel commands and got the following:
>LD 20
PT0000
REQ: PRT
TYPE: PAG
TN
CUST 0
DATE
PAGE
REQ:
Any ideas?
07-17-2009 09:37 AM
Hi,
I started a thread a month ago on this and see if this interests you.
07-17-2009 09:45 AM
What's the exact Valcom / Bogen models? Fairly sure that you could find that type of information on a datasheet from the vendor.
-nick
07-17-2009 09:55 AM
This is one of them:
http://www.camelectronics.com/botptepaam3m2.html
Not sure on the Valcom's, but the connect through the same jumpered pair.
07-17-2009 10:05 AM
07-17-2009 10:31 AM
Hi Michael,
The output from the Nortel is a "good" thing. This means that the input from the Option 11 was likely a 500/FXS type port and not an actual Paging trunk. You can see on page 3 of the manual in the link you sent, where the phone line is currently connected to the Bogen. Just to be sure you might want to trace the wiring back through the cross-connects to the Nortel TN to verify the port type. I'm pretty sure in this case you won't actually require any additional equipment to fire this up :)
If you know the DN of the Paging access you could also use;
LD 11
PRT
DNB
DN - xxxx
to see exactly what Port/type was being used.
Cheers!
Rob
07-17-2009 10:46 AM
Rob -
That is good news. Here is the output from the command you posted:
>ld 11
SL1000
MEM AVAIL: (U/P): 394779 USED: 195044 TOT: 589823
DISK RECS AVAIL: 425
TNS AVAIL: 88 USED: 212 TOT: 300
ACD AGENTS AVAIL: 292 USED: 8 TOT: 300
AST SET AVAIL: 100 USED: 0 TOT: 100
REQ: PRT
TYPE: DNB
CUST 0
DN 11
DATE
PAGE
DES
DN 11
TYPE RDB
ROUT 3
Does that make sense?
07-17-2009 11:03 AM
Here is an output from LD 21 for that RDB:
>ld 21
PT1000
REQ: PRT
TYPE: RDB
CUST 0
ROUT 3
TYPE RDB
CUST 00
DMOD
ROUT 3
DES PAG1
TKTP COT
PRIV NO
SAT NO
RCLS EXT
DTRK NO
PTYP ACO
AUTO NO
ICOG OGT
RANX NO
SRCH LIN
STEP
ACOD 11
CPP NO
TARG
CLEN 1
OABS
TIMR ICF 512
OGF 512
EOD 13952
DSI 34944
NRD 10112
DDL 70
ODT 4096
RGV 640
FLH 510
GRD 896
SFB 3
CRD 512
TFD 30
LEXT 100
SST 3 0
NEDC ETH
FEDC ORG
CPDC NO
SPCT IMM
HOLD 02 02 40
SEIZ 02 02
RGFL 02 02
RVSD 08 31
ILLR 02 02
CDR NO
MUS NO
MR NO
MANO YES
EQAR NO
FRL 0 0
FRL 1 0
FRL 2 0
FRL 3 0
FRL 4 0
FRL 5 0
FRL 6 0
FRL 7 0
TTBL 0
OHTD NO
PLEV 2
MCTS NO
ALRM NO
PAGE 002
ART 0
SGRP 0
AACR NO
07-17-2009 11:19 AM
Hi Michael,
Interesting setup :)
From
LD 21
REQ: LTM
CUST 0
ROUT 3
Output will be a TN x.x.x.x
Then from LD 11
PRT
TNB
TN x.x.x.x (from above)
This should show us our final results.
Cheers!
Rob
07-17-2009 11:24 AM
Rob -
You are a Nortel madman! Can't thank you enough.
Here is the output:
>ld 21
PT1000
REQ: ltm
CUST 0
ROUT 3
TYPE TLS
TKTP COT
ROUT 3
DES PAG1
TN 018 0 00 02 MBER 1 PAGE1
REQ: ****
OVL000
>ld 11
SL1000
MEM AVAIL: (U/P): 394779 USED: 195044 TOT: 589823
DISK RECS AVAIL: 425
TNS AVAIL: 88 USED: 212 TOT: 300
ACD AGENTS AVAIL: 292 USED: 8 TOT: 300
AST SET AVAIL: 100 USED: 0 TOT: 100
REQ: prt
TYPE: tnb
TN 018 0 00 02
SPWD
DATE
PAGE
DES
TN 018 0 00 02
TYPE COT
CDEN 8D
CUST 0
XTRK XUT
TIMP 600
BIMP 3COM
NCOS 0
RTMB 3 1
NITE
SIGL LOP
SUPN NO
AST NO
IAPG 0
CLS UNR DTN WTA LPR APN THFD
P10 NTC LOL
TKID
DATE 30 JUN 2008
07-17-2009 11:37 AM
Hey Michael,
Hahaha!! I wish I was a Cisco madman :)
OK, this final result does tell us what we need to know. That the current setup is actually using a Trunk or FXO style port. This means that the you can use either an FXS or FXO on the Cisco side as long as you order up the TAMB mid-point integration piece (very cheap $$). You should be good to go.
Cheers!
Rob
07-17-2009 11:46 AM
So the Nortel side is an FXO style port and it sounds like this is the way to go from other posts.
Thanks for all your help!!
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