I will verify the version of call manager, but is there a standard MAC address or something to query in UT to verify that phones are there as end hosts?

No, you need to search the UT end host table for the MAC of a known phone.

Well, I found a group of phones that show up as end hosts but not as phones.

The switch they are on is managed and visible in Topology services with the CCMs, which I am told are CUCM version 6.1.2 I did notice that the "acquisition Information" page shows only 1 in the "Number of CCM Hosts" when there are 3 in Topo maps. I added the check under UT Admin...to "Enable end hosts discovery on all trunks" I did pick about 60 phones but not the ones I was looking for and still several hundred short of the total. i was also wondering if I need HTTP credentials in the DCR for the Call Managers?

No, SNMP only is required for CCMs. You say you are on CM 5.1.3, but it sounds like you're actually running an older version. CCM 5.x+ support wasn't added until 5.1.3, so Campus may only be recognizing older CCMs as actual Call Managers. Post a screenshot of the topology map showing the CCM to which the missing phones are registered.

I have attached a file with the version info (i just copied from screen) in the hopes that you recognize that maybe I am missing an incremental update or something.. Unfortunately I can not get a screen shot of the topology map icon from that network. It is a green server with an open box in the front left corner that is white with a green stripe.. again I appologize for not being able to provide the files you requested.

Nothing is attached. However, it doesn't sound like I'm going to be able to offer any more help without seeing more details. I recommend you open a TAC Service request so debug logs, configs, and screenshots can be provided.

Sorry about that...I have attached it this time just incase you catch anything with a quick look, otherwise I will end this thread. Thanks for the help!!! I held off on the TAC case up til this point because I can not give them the files or screen shots either.

It's going to be very hard to troubleshoot your issue, then. This version of Campus does support your CCM software version, and it sounds like the CCM is being properly managed as an application server. Try walking its ccmPhoneTable using the SNMP Walk tool in Device Center. Make sure this is returning valid data.

Was able to snmpwalk the device and searched the output for "ccmPhoneTable" and "phone" with no results, although I see plenty of references to phone IP addresses. I did notice the first line

lists the software as

"Softwrae:UCOS 3.0.0.0-60" could this be the actual ccm version which might require addition configuration of the 7845H2? Also there was no reference to the CISCO-CCM-MIB...

No, this is the OS version, not the CUCM software version. You need to perform an SNMP Walk with the starting OID of ccmPhoneTable, and make sure you get results. If not, your CCM administrators need to enable the CISCO-CCM-MIB module in the SNMP agent.

Genius!! Only one of the three came back with results and they matched what was in CiscoWorks. Since I am not the CCM admin, is there a box to check that I can request in case the admin is unfamiliar with the setup?

I'm not sure. I don't have much experience with CCM > 4.x.

No sweat, you have been a huge help!!!!!!

I will confirm that this is the solution and update this thread.

Thanks again!