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ASK THE EXPERTS – SPA3xx AND SPA5xx IP PHONES AND ANALOG TELEPHONE ADAPTORS (ATA)

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Sep 10th, 2010

Welcome to the Cisco Networking  Professionals Ask the Expert conversation. This is an opportunity to get an update on SPA3xx and SPA5xx IP Phones and analog telephone adaptors with Patrick born. Patrick Born is a Technical Marketing Engineer for the Small Business Technology Group (SBTG). His responsibilities include SPA3xx, SPA5xx, and SPA9xx IP Phones, WIP 3xx IP Phones, and SPAxxx ATAs including the SPA2102, SPA3102, PAP2T devices.

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j.miller_32 Mon, 09/13/2010 - 09:31

Hi Patrick,

What is the difference between the SPA5xxG and SPA3xx IP phones?

Patrick Born Mon, 09/13/2010 - 11:10

Hi j.miller_32,

There are two phones in the SPA3xx family, the SPA301 and the SPA303.

There are six phones in the SPA5xx family, the SPA501G, SPA502G, SPA504G, SPA408G, SPA509G, and SPA525G.

The SPA3xx and SPA50x phones use the same firmware image.

The SPA525G uses a separate image because it supports Bluetooth, color, WiFi, MP3, etc.

The main differences are as follows:

FeatureSPA3xxSPA5xx
Backlit LCDNY
[not SPA501]
Line keys / Programmable buttons3
[0 on SPA301]
0, 4, 5, 8, 12
Power over Ethernet (PoE)N

Y

Enhanced / Premium acousticsNY
SPA500S Expansion module supportNY
5V, 1A power adapter includedYN
10/100 Base-T switched Ethernet port for computerY
[N on SPA301]
Y
Wideband audio (G.722)YY

Regards,

Patrick

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alleycatcomp Wed, 09/22/2010 - 06:30

Are the handsets for the SPA5xx and SPA3xx phones exactly the same or were there changes in the SPA3xx series?

Patrick Born Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:37

Hi alleycatcomp,

The handsets on the SPA3xx phones are different to those on the SPA5xx phones.

Physically, the SPA3xx handsets are slightly smaller. They also look slightly different, very similar to the look of the SPA9xx handsets.

Regards,

Patrick

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nathan.a.reeves Mon, 09/13/2010 - 22:07

In regards to controlling settings for the SPA525G units in a UC500 deployment, does the 'phone service' option work yet (configured under telephony-service).  Trying to centrally controll the SPA525G-http-write option but not having too much luck in getting the setting pushed out to phones.  I've checked the xml cnf files and they all show the xml in there but what I'm wondering is if the phones are actually using that info yet.

Thanks

Patrick Born Tue, 09/14/2010 - 05:52

Hi Nathan,

I'll research this and report back.

Regards,

Patrick

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Patrick Born Tue, 09/14/2010 - 12:46

Nathan,

I've received a response from the UC500 team "yes the SPA phones do support UC500 Phone Services. Currently available through UC500 are, Voice View Express, Time Card View, and WebEx Phone Connect"

Does this answer your question?

Regards,

Patrick

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nathan.a.reeves Tue, 09/14/2010 - 18:33

No.

The situation I have is that I have deployed a number of SPA525G phones in a UC560 deployment and wanted to go through and switch the Bass Boost feature off.  To do this I have to visit each phone, enable http writable and then go to the web page of each phone and disable bass boost.  I was trying to centrally enable the http writeable option on the phones and came across some configs that used the following commands:

!

telephony-service

service phone SPA525-http-write yes

!

This appears to update (after running 'create cnf-files') the default XML files for each phone type so it now includes the XML 'yes'.  If I factory reset the SPA525 and let it register on the UC system, it pulls down the new 525Default.cnf.xml file but when I check the http writeable option in the device settings, it's still set to 'No'.

Do the SPA525 Phones actually use the settings in the cnf.xml file to configure the phone or is that still in development?

This functionality may be listed under Bug ID: CSCth27727?  I found this ID reference in a document on cisco dealing with disabling the web service on the IP Phones.  I can't see any details on this bug due to confidential info apparently being included in the bug.

Hope this explains it better.

Thanks for the reply.

Patrick Born Wed, 09/15/2010 - 06:13

Nathan,

Thanks for the detailed information. I'll do some more research and report back.

Regards,

Patrick

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Patrick Born Thu, 09/16/2010 - 08:54

Nathan,

Here's what I found out from the team. It turns out that the issue is related to a problem in 7.4.4. Here are the details:

SPA525G with 7.4.4 from factory default config in SPCP mode

  1. Add “service phone SPA525-http-write yes” and “create cnf-files” under “telephony-services”
  2. Make sure the command is in the XMLDefault525G.cnf.xml
  3. Reset the phone to factory default
  4. The phone boots and is stuck in SIP mode with Auto Detect SCCP disabled
  5. Repeating step 3 does not help. Manually enabling Auto Detect SPCP or setting the protocol to SPCP does not cause the phone to run in SPCP mode.
  6. The same result occurs if resetting the phone in step 3 instead of resetting to factory default.
  7. Remove “service phone SPA525-http-write yes” and update the cnf file then everything works normally

SPA525G with 7.4.6 from factory default config in SPCP mode

  1. Add “service phone SPA525-http-write yes” and “create cnf-files” under “telephony-services”
  2. Make sure the command is in the XMLDefault525G.cnf.xml
  3. Reset the phone to factory default
  4. The phone boots up in SPCP  mode and the “Web Server Writable” in both LCD and Web GUI are enabled
  5. Set Deep Bass to no from web GUI to cause phone reboot.
  6. Phone will boot and be functional.

Regards,

Patrick

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jgawf@sajeps.com Mon, 09/13/2010 - 22:37

Patrick,

How can you re-layout the softkeys on the SPA phones?  Can you do it as a bulk download if you have 32 phones to change.

Patrick Born Tue, 09/14/2010 - 06:34

Hi John,

In SIP-mode, it's pretty easy to deploy massive numbers of phones automatically.  Service Providers really like the SPA phones because they're very easy to provision and are highly configurable.

Modifying soft keys or any other phone parameter is trivial once you have a provisioning environment configured.

I assume you're controlling a small business given that you're asking about 32 phones.

You'll need the following:[search for free servers for your computer on the Internet.]

  1. DHCP server [must support OPTION 66 which points to the IP address and optional path on your TFTP/HTTP/HTTPS server]
  2. TFTP server [can use HTTP/HTTPS if you prefer]

Do the following to set up your provisioning environment:

  • Configure your DHCP server to point to the IP address and optional path on your TFTP/HTTP/HTTPS server
  • Configure your TFTP/HTTP/HTTPS server

Provisioned Environment:

  1. When your SPA5xx or SPA3xx phones boot, they will receive their dynamic IP address and the TFTP/HTTP/HTTPS server's IP address from the DHCP server.
  2. When a phone receives OPTION 66, it will look for a default file if an IP address is only provided, else it will request the path to a file if a path was included in the DHCP OFFER.
  3. The phone loads the file which contains your soft key configuration and is up and running in a short period of time.

To specifically answer your question:

Modify the programmable soft key configuration in the phone's configuration file. When the phone resyncs or reboots, it will retrieve the desired soft key configuration.

Here's some additional information that will help you:

Read the first two documents, cover-to-cover.

Use the Admin and Provisioning guides as reference only [Use AdobeReader's advanced search to search both books when referencing]

  1. https://supportforums.cisco.com/docs/DOC-9954 [describes setting up provisioning for Asterisk, but the concepts will help you]
  2. https://supportforums.cisco.com/docs/DOC-10010 [describes configuring soft keys]
  3. http://tools.cisco.com/search/display?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cisco.com%2Fen%2FUS%2Fdocs%2Fvoice_ip_comm%2Fcsbpipp%2Fip_phones%2Fadministration%2Fguide%2Fspa500_admin.pdf&pos=1&strqueryid=2&websessionid=ehoQWTwEoaQg5MstdKDgz7A [SPA5xx and SPA3xx Admin guide]
  4. https://supportforums.cisco.com/docs/DOC-9894 [SPA device Provisioning Guide]

Regards,

Patrick

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davidwooden Mon, 09/20/2010 - 10:09

Hi Patrick:

Slightly off topic; I apologize. I'm working in a small complex of buildings, and one building has two phone lines and DSL. I've added a wireless link between this and another building. Now I'm trying to provide phone service at the second building across the wireless network. I've used a SPA3102 and a PAP2T back to back. This works, but only supports one line, and there are two lines in the phone system. I purchased a SPA8800 to provide for two lines, and copied the configuration values from the SPA3102 to the SPA8800, changing port numbers for the second line. It almost works, but I've spent two nights fighting to make it all work. First of all, is this feasible? Is there any definite reason that it should not work? Second, are there any good debugging methods for this device in order to determine what's really going on? For example: Trying to dial out on the phone, I might get "Please check your number and dial again". Is there any way to determine what was actually dialed out on the SPA8800? If I could see this, I might be able to understand how I need to change a dial plan, but without it, I'm shooting in the dark.

Thank you very much for any help you can provide. If this is the wrong place for this, please direct me to the right place.

Thanks,

David Wooden

Patrick Born Mon, 09/20/2010 - 16:45

Hi David,

Sounds like a fun project. Can you provide a diagram of what you have and another diagram of what you want please?

With respect to debugging. You can enable debug and or syslog at level 3 verbosity. Here are instructions: https://supportforums.cisco.com/docs/DOC-9897

You can use a network sniffer [such as WireShark] between the two devices to see what the devices are sending between each other.

Regards,

Patrick

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Patrick Born Fri, 09/24/2010 - 09:45

Hi alexanderlitvak,

Thanks for letting me know about your Community thread on this issue. I cannot dig into this issue today. I will request one of my colleagues to take a look. If they're not able, I will pick up the issue on Monday 9/27/2010.

I am going to send you an IM in order to request additional information.

I apologize that your thread has previously gone unanswered.

Regards,

Patrick

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dayiedgosi Fri, 09/24/2010 - 10:37

Hi Patrick

I work for a contact center we want to use the spa525g for the agents.I know that the spa525g has the option to use the usb port. How can I disable this port? because we don't want that the agent use the usb port to hear the music....Also I want to know if we can't disable the option Factory Reset from the phone because if the agent go to the option SETTINGS-DEVICE ADMINISTRATIVE-FACTORY RESET the agent could get in and make a factory reset with out to write a password or something.

Thanks

Patrick Born Fri, 09/24/2010 - 13:36

Hi Diana,

The MP3 player is a feature so no it can't be defeated. [Chances are, if you did, employees will then use their personal MP3 players anyway. :-) ]

You can prevent a user from factory resetting the phone by provisioning the phone with an admin password and protecting the factory reset parameter as follows:

VerySecurePassword

Yes

Once you have set the parameters I described, the phone will challenge for a password before allowing the device to be factory reset.

Read more about provisioning the phone at: https://supportforums.cisco.com/docs/DOC-9894

Regards,

Patrick

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JCMcKenzie Fri, 09/24/2010 - 12:27

Good day, sir.

I have an SPA3102 and I would like it to forward PSTN calls from certain phone number sto a VoIP number. I would furthermore like it to ignore PSTN calls from other phone numbers. Most phone numbers would just ring the normal phone handset, selected numbers get forwarded.

After so much research and begging for help I could easily write a document larger in total size than all of Wikipedia on everything I tried I can only acheive two situiations: either the selected calls are fordwarded and all other calls are hung up upon after half a ring or nothing at all happens.

I started by going uUnder the PSTN User tab and filling out the "PSTN-To-VoIP Selective Call Forward Settings", "Cfwd Sel1 Caller:" and "Cfwd Sel1 Dest:" as appropriate. This would cause all non-selected numbers to be dropped in less than one second but would forward the chosen phone numbers. Everything I tried to allow non-selected calls to be ignored so the phone would just ring has resulted in causing the SPA3102 to act as if it did not exist.

It would be appreciated if you could advise me as how to configure the SPA3102 so PSTN phone numbers I choose (only two right now) are fordwarded to my already set-up VoIP number and all other PSTN phone calls do nothing, causing the handset to ring.

For someone as knowledgeable and experienced as you perhaps this is an easy question, it has been very difficult for me to set this up. Hopefully you can help, regardless, I appreciate you time reading my entry. I have attached a text file which contains what I believe is the revelevant part of a debug log. It is activity occuring when one of the selected PSTN callers phoned me and nothing happen. (His call was not forwarded.) For anything else needed from me in order to assist you in helping me just ask.

Thank you, kindly.

--

John McKenzie

http://www.accesswave.ca/~davros/

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