What should I use??? wireless router, access point, bridge

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Mar 31st, 2011

I want to install a wireless network in my home.

I have many devices that will need to be hard wired into this wireless network.

The basic design will be 4 rooms each with 4 to 6 hardwired devices.

Configure either a mesh or hub and spoke style network.

I would like to use 802.11n.

The question is:

What do a use at the hub?

What do I use at the spokes?

I have this problem too.
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Leo Laohoo Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:00

I'd recommend a 860W/880W if you have only 1 or two VLANs.  If you have alot of VLANs then the 890W suits you.

Leo Laohoo Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:00

I'd recommend a 860W/880W if you have only 1 or two VLANs.  If you have alot of VLANs then the 890W suits you.

jaadcox Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:04

Thank you very much for the responce.  I'm not sure however that I understand.

Where do I use this?  at the spoke?  and do I then get a AP for the hub?

Leo Laohoo Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:08

The reason why I recommended a router with a wireless AP builtin because you can connect non-wireless client into the ethernet ports (minimum of 4).  You then connect wireless via the wireless AP.

Where do you use this?  Well you have to find a central location and test whether the wireless signal in this central location is sufficient for the users.  If not then you'll have to move the location of the router to suit your need.

Make sure you don't put the router INSIDE a metal cabinet as thw wireless signal cannot get out of the metal cage.

jaadcox Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:11

Thank you!

So for my rooms with 4 devices I use the 860, and rooms with 6 devices I use the 890.

What should I use for my primary hub in the house that connects to the WAN?

Leo Laohoo Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:13

What should I use for my primary hub in the house that connects to the WAN?

Don't.  You can plug your WAN/xDSL link to the router's WAN link.  If you have DSL, then you have the choice of the 8x7W router.  This specific sub-model supports xDSL 1/2/+.
Leo Laohoo Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:16

Let's presume you used up all the ethernet ports of the router of your choice and you need more.  Then I'd recommend the 2960-8 or the 2960C-8 for beginners.  The 3560 family have a number of 8-port switches.  Y'know what's the killer?  These 8-port models of the 2960 and the 3560 are FANLESS.  Whisper quiet!

If you want more than 8-ports then the 3560 has a 12-port model but it has a fan.  If you can keep the place where the 3560 clean and dust free (particularly the fan) then it will remain quiet for 3+ years.

jaadcox Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:26

I want need more than 6 ports.  so no external switch will be

needed.

So what do you recommend as the centeral AP that connects to the WAN?

dmantill Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:13

Just to make sure, what you want is to connect all hardwired devices like to a hub or switch and then transfer each room traffic to a central device via wireless?

jaadcox Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:17

yes!

I have 4 rooms.  each with 4 to 6 hardwired devices.  I want the most stable and secure, and FASTEST possible design I can get using wireless.

Leo Laohoo Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:20

Hmmm ... I think you need to get the router with a PoE module.  Why?  Because I believe you will need another autonomous access point as one AP may not be enough. For a simple house setup then you can start with the 1040 AP.

jaadcox Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:29

I see what you are saying.   I thought that with the N series and the use of multiple beams, I would only need one AP.

I'll do some reading on this box.

Thank you.

dmantill Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:20

hmmm this is what I would do ...

I would have 1242AG APs on each room.

Then I would have a 1242AG too in the central point connected to the existing router thata goes to the WAN.

On then I would use  tha A radios to do bridging. then I would use a unmannged switchon each room that connects to the AP.

And I would use the G radio either for wireless clients or to keep bridnging  other rooms.

jaadcox Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:24

but this will only give me a/b/g wireless.  I was hoping to use an

n-level product to get the absolute maximum throughput.

any thoughts?

Nicolas Darchis Thu, 03/31/2011 - 22:33

Why using 1250s when you can use 1260s that are nicer-looking, lighter, and comsume less power ?

Leo Laohoo Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:45

Why using 1250s when you can use 1260s that are nicer-looking, lighter, and comsume less power ?

Hi Nicolas,

I'd use neither.  For home use, the 1260 or 1260 does not "fit in".  I'd use either 1040 or the 1140.

PS:  Your colleague and compatriot, Nicolas Meessen, says "Hi!".  I met him in Cisco Live 2011 Melbourne. 

jaadcox Sat, 04/02/2011 - 05:43

Not sure I'm following.

why would the 1200's not be a fit, and would the 1100's be one? 

To reiterate, I'm looking for the following:

4 locations within a 5000' sq/multi-level home. 

Each location will have 4 to 6 hardwired connections.

Use 802.11n wireless transport (300mbs)

Achieve the highest consistent throughput levels

Leo Laohoo Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:51

Hi James,

Good questions.  I'll try to answer them. 

why would the 1200's not be a fit, and would the 1100's be one?

The 1040 is the cut-down-version of the 1140.  Both the 1040 and the 1140 are, what Cisco calls them as, low profile.  It's very pleasing to look in indoors such as offices or, in your case, your house hanging down from the roof. The 1240 or the 1250/1260 are what is termed as an "industrial".  You'll need to purchase accessories like the antennaes.  These can be the new "thumbnail" antennas to the rubber ducks/rubber duckies to the "disco sticks".   Deployed in a house, it would not be pleasing to look.

Functionality wise, they are all the same (except for the 1240 which does not support 802.11n).  The 1040, being the "econo" model of the 1140, has some functions curtailed.  One of them is the 2 x 2 MIMO (instead of 2 x 3 MIMO).  It won't do video multicast.

The following models support 802.11n:  1040, 1140, 3500i/3500e, 1250, 1260.

I am NOT going to recommend the 3500i or the 3500e unless you are going to say that you can land your hands on a WLC such as the 4400, 5508 or the 2504.

The 1040 and the 1140 can be powered up using 802.11af or 15.4w of PoE power.  This is why if you intend to purchase either the 860, 880 or 890 I would recommend that you purchase the optional PoE daughter card and PoE module so that you can use the ports with PoE and connect the APs of your choice.

If you say that you need more PoE ports then do NOT get the PoE option pack.  Instead you'll need to get a switch with PoE option.

Your spread of a home, 5k sq, what are the walls made of?  Wood?  Concrete?  Hollow blocks?  Single/Double/Triple bricked?

Leo Laohoo Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:06

Nice summary Leolaohoo!

You called my last post a "summary"???

It looks like a State Of The Nation Address!

jaadcox Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:27

Nice!     Are you running for office?

I hear there will be an opening in the White house in a couple of years.

Thank again.

Leo Laohoo Sat, 04/02/2011 - 21:31

The Devi1 came to earth one day and paid a visit to an ambitious politician.

"Listen", said the Devi1, "I'll let you become the President in a year's time.  In return, I want you to sign your life and soul to me."

The politician took one moment to think before replying, "What's the catch?"

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