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PC Client / Ability to push content

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Jun 6th, 2014
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Is a PC client for Proximity on the roadmap?

Also, is there a plan to push content from the tablet (or preferably PC)?

We are  developing a new building and want to enable all the rooms for a) video conferencing and b) ability to display content (either in or not in a video call) via wireless.

Our current plan is to put in Crestron AirMedia to allow wireless. With a simple expansion of Proximity and a PC client, we could leave out purchasing the Crestron, which would almost pay for the Cisco SX10.

 

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Henrik Bakken about 2 years 6 months ago

No – testing is not part of this community, but rather in a formalized Cisco "EFT" program (Early Field Trials).

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Henrik Bakken about 2 years 6 months ago

Hi Frank, and all others asking for an update ;)

We're getting closer to a laptop client. We are currently doing limited EFT testing (early field trials) and are aiming to ship this around summer this year.

The first version for Win7+ and OS X 10.9+ (likely) will only do presentation sharing (from laptop to endpoint). This will run with limited frame-rate (working great for presentations, but not great for youtube).

Call control and content receive (from endpoint to laptop) will not be supported at this point.

(and yes; it's a bit awkward that you can do call control and content receive on mobile, but not share to endpoint; but we're working on fixing that as well. We did get a lot of market feedback that sharing *from* laptop was the most important usecase, though.)

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Randombuffalo Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:49
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It would be great if you could mirror your iPad/tablet screen as well as pushing content to the screen.  This would make it an awesome collaboration piece.  Definitely a top feature request.

Henrik Bakken Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:30
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@Randombuffalo

Mirroring of the screen (especially on iOS) is trickier. Our assumption is that file sharing (initially camera roll or directly from camera, later maybe PDF/office) is more realistic from phones/tablets. Currently, Apple does not license the AirPlay (video) APIs. Android-equivalents (Miracast/DLNA etc) are more fragmented.

Randombuffalo Tue, 10/07/2014 - 07:03
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Henrik,

 

That is unfortunate but it is nice to know you have looked into it.  We ended up attaching an AppleTV to the back of our unit to act as an iOS screen share connection.  It has worked pretty well so far.  Plus it works as a basic PC for bringing up webpages and videos.

Henrik Bakken Tue, 10/07/2014 - 07:40
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Yes - agree AppleTV makes a very good companion in the meeting rooms, but not very x-plafrom friendly (your Android and Windows user base). But again; we're working on solutions that should be more x-platform, and no reason they cannot work alongside an AppleTV in the room, too.
jbburks Tue, 10/07/2014 - 07:46
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Any potential timeline for when we will see some of this?

If you need any early testers, please message me.

Henrik Bakken Tue, 10/07/2014 - 07:49
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For PC client content push, we do have an early proof-of-concept version. That needs some verification across laptop types/microphones, and we plan to start this testing within a month's time. Releasing this feature is unlikely to happen this calendar year, though.
jbburks Tue, 10/07/2014 - 07:50
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Is the testing part of the community? I haven't seen anything posted asking for testers.

Henrik Bakken Tue, 01/27/2015 - 03:32
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No – testing is not part of this community, but rather in a formalized Cisco "EFT" program (Early Field Trials).

jbburks Fri, 01/09/2015 - 08:28
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Ok, so screen mirroring for iOS and PC didn't make it out by the end of the year.

Any progress? That's a feature we would really like to see. It would get around the need for cables for the presenter.

Marcelo Almeida... Mon, 01/19/2015 - 09:05
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Hi JBBurks, I agree with you ... although Proximity is now available for iOS and Android for View and Share Contents, a PC version is more than welcome.

 

Hi Henrik Bakken, any news about it?

Henrik Bakken Tue, 01/27/2015 - 03:30
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Yes - just posted an update above ("Hi Frank, and all others asking for an update"). We're getting closer :)

Henrik Bakken Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:29
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Thanks for your feedback, jbburks!

We definitely want to get out a PC and Mac client. It is high on our wish-list, but still not committed (aka; no promises, no timeline yet).

The current idea is to use a similar approach as the content receive; using JPG images. This would mean about a frame a second (give or take), likely also with some smartness to prevent unnecessary updates.

The other option would be to encode H.264 video in the pc app and send over the local network. This could give higher framerate, but would also use more resources on the codec (eg limit it's capabilities when in calls etc). This approach is slower to get to market, though.

How do you feel about going with the JPG solution? My initial testing shows it's working pretty good for presentations and typical collaboration work (edit meeting minutes on the big screen etc). It does not give a good user experience when watching videos/motion content.

 

Frank Cosgrove Tue, 01/27/2015 - 01:57
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Every time I install a new unit, I get the request around a Windows client as iPads and Android devices are not common in our meeting, (people think your doing something else) 

 

Any time line ??

 

 

Henrik Bakken Tue, 01/27/2015 - 03:26
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Hi Frank, and all others asking for an update ;)

We're getting closer to a laptop client. We are currently doing limited EFT testing (early field trials) and are aiming to ship this around summer this year.

The first version for Win7+ and OS X 10.9+ (likely) will only do presentation sharing (from laptop to endpoint). This will run with limited frame-rate (working great for presentations, but not great for youtube).

Call control and content receive (from endpoint to laptop) will not be supported at this point.

(and yes; it's a bit awkward that you can do call control and content receive on mobile, but not share to endpoint; but we're working on fixing that as well. We did get a lot of market feedback that sharing *from* laptop was the most important usecase, though.)

Frank Cosgrove Tue, 01/27/2015 - 04:15
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Henrik thanks for the feedback.

My users are all requesting the to be able too see the slides on their laptop and take snapshots, In big rooms its easier to read the slides on their own laptops, which they always have with them.

I've never had the request for wireless presenting yet and they are not bothered by call control as we have a touch screen remote in all rooms.

jbburks Tue, 01/27/2015 - 05:43
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Is there an Early Adopter Program for Proximity? I have been participating in the community for Jabber 10.6 providing feedback, but I haven't seen anything on Proximity posted. I'm anxious to see if it works with our Dell Latitude laptops. We very much want to 'cut the cord' for presenting, and it would almost be worth the price of an SX10 just for that, regardless of the ability to do a TP call.

As you indicate, our most desirable use case is to be able to push content from the PC (or iOS if possible) and do call/camera control.

I understand the need from others to block call control and that would be a useful option.

 

 

Nick Ciesinski Tue, 01/27/2015 - 04:37
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Henrik

I work in education and right now we don't use the feature on mobile because of the ability to do call control from the device. We need a way to disable the ability for call control and only have content sharing or have a password to enable call control. We don't need students ending calls etc. while a class is in session.  Is there any roadmap for this on mobile devices and eventually when you get laptop devices doing call control?

 

Nick

Dan Peder Eriksen Wed, 01/28/2015 - 03:44
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Hi Nick,

 

With the next TC release you will get the option to turn on/off 3 services independant from each other:

Receive content from Telepresence System

Send Content to Telepresence System

Call control (search, call, volume ++++)

 

Dan

Marcelo Almeida... Tue, 01/27/2015 - 08:43
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Hi Henrik Bakken,

 excellent news ... but I totally agree with Nick Ciesinski and Frank Cosgrove.

 I understand that you are prioritizing 'Presentation Sharing' because you "get a lot of market feedback that sharing *from* laptop was the most important usecase", but in my opinion, these feedbacks probably came from the presenters not from the audience.

 If you think in a very small meeting of 1 presenter and 4 people in the audience then 80% of our 'customers' will not have the choice to use a PC.

 It will be very appreciated if Cisco rethinks the importance of 'Content Receive to laptop' and work in a complete solution of 'Presentation Sharing' & 'Content Receive'.

  Every time I present Proximity to my customers, they get very excited about this technology, but at the same time, they get very frustrated because of the absence of PC's interactions (as a presenter and as audience).

 I hope this (field info) helps.

Josh Miller Fri, 06/19/2015 - 21:47
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@Henrik - 

First, thanks for the communication in this forum.  There is a dearth of information on Proximity in general, and this forum seems to have more content than anything other than the FAQ.

I'm curious how software packages like AirServer, Barco's Clickshare, Christie's Brio, Creston, and others are able to emulate an Apple TV without API's.  Are you able to learn anything from how they are doing it, and do the same?  Being able to mirror a screen from an IOS or OS X device would be fantastic as a native capacity as I've seen some problems when using an AppleTV to share content to remote video participants.

Thanks, and keep the communication coming!

Henrik Bakken Mon, 06/22/2015 - 02:45
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Not good (lack of info) - will work with the team to improve information flow!

I have tried Clickshare (nice), and Airmedia, and another company called Airtame. None of them has been able to receive Airplay-media from an iOS device. I'm super-keen on getting more info on this, though; have you been able to use the iOS built-in AirPlay (with video) to non-Apple gear?

I know most of these 3rd party solutions have applications you can install (or web servers you can connect to). They offer open-in-like functionality for sharing, but not built-in like AirPlay. As far as I've seen, at least.

Let me know if you have seen this, how it works etc. 

Josh Miller Mon, 06/22/2015 - 07:57
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Re: Airtame - bummer!  I signed up as an early adopter and should be getting my dongles any day now, and I had thought they supported AirPlay natively.

 

Check out AirServer.  They offer a mac client that emulates an AppleTV device, and allow full mirroring, as well as anything else you'd be able to do with an AppleTV.  In addition it looks like they just added Miracast support, so they support receiving from an Android device as well.  That is the full functionality I'd really like to see native on the codecs.

 

Thanks again Henrik!

jbburks Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:52
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In regards to streaming the content vs. JPG or images:

The use case in our company is very much Powerpoint slides. No moving images, other than build slides. Would very much prefer static images (bandwidth and load on the codec) over streaming. Slow refresh interval (3-5 seconds is fine) preferably configurable.

We want very much to push PC content to the screen (iPad too, but less so). We would like to use this unit instead of a dedicated A/V box.

Other similar apps (BlueJeans) get around the iOS/Apple licensing limitations by opening the PPT file or browser in their app rather than trying to mirror the screen. As you point out, this is difficult to do with Apple (they make Microsoft look positively open).

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