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VDI Access Control with ISE

Hi Guys,

Can ISE do the Access Control for the VDI users with thinclients like PCs? Now we wanna to setup the 802.1x authentication for the VDI users, but i'm not sure if this can be done by ISE. Do we just need to configure the access switch ports to open 802.1x as usual and the switch then will relay the radius to ISE?

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VDI Access Control with ISE

Hi Harvinder,

Thanks for your link. So it means that a nexus switch is necessary in such a situation as the SGT is the only way to identify the data of each VDI?

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VDI Access Control with ISE

IT must have a strategy for protecting business data on all devices whether corporate managed or employee self-supported and managed. This may include a secure business partition on the device which acts as a container of corporate data that can be tightly controlled and may also include the need for a Virtual Desktop Infrastructure (VDI) application to allow access to sensitive or confidential data without storing the data on the device.

For configuration, please visit

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/solutions/Enterprise/Borderless_Networks/Unified_Access/byoddg.html

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VDI Access Control with ISE

In virtual mode applications exist on the application server in the data center (or cloud) and are represented through a VDI client on the device. Data is not stored locally on the BYOD device. Only display information is exchanged and rendered on the BYOD device. While this method provides maximum data security, user experience may be a compromise due to the translation from an application server to the form-factor and OS native to the BYOD device.

For more information please go to this link:

https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=MC&rID=70396897&rKey=8522644a31d2b126

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VDI Access Control with ISE

yup, you are correct. But according to the doc that Harvinder provided above, each user can be authenticated by anyconnect 3.0 and there data can be controlled by SGT feature. But for now I don't have the nexus 1000v so that i cannot use the SGT. I'm wondering if I can use the multi-auth to authenticate the whole application server so that i can control the access permission of the virtual machines.

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Re: VDI Access Control with ISE

SiJian,

Is the Nexus 1000v required for the solution depicted in the doc provided by Harvinder? I don't see it listed. I would appreciate any information about this solution. I'm having troubling finding any details about it. I keep coming across that one document.

My infrastructure:

Cisco UCS blade servers (VDI)

6248FI

Nexus 5548UP

Cisco ACS

The 6248FI is directely connected to the 5548 and is where I was planning to enforce the SGT/SGACLs. Would setup support this solution? Do I need the Nexus 1000v?

Thank you,
Mark

VDI Access Control with ISE

Mark,

For enforcement you can use the 5500 based on the guide below.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/solutions/collateral/ns170/ns896/ns1051/solution_overview_c22-591771.html

Tarik Admani
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Re: VDI Access Control with ISE

Tarik,

There are different types of devices capable of doing the enforcment based on SGT. The real unknown for me and what I am having the most trouble finding information on is how AnyConnect 3.0 installed on the VM desktop is used to authenticate the user and set the tag. Is the VM desktop using the Vsphere dSwitch or does it require the 1000v switch? From my understanding, neither the dSwitch, nor the 1000v does 802.1x authentication. What is triggering the authentication, and what it the communication path (EOPoL, Layer3, tunneled, EoIP) between AnyConnect 3.0 and the authenticating/tagging device (ISE, ACS)?

Thank you,

Mark

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Re: VDI Access Control with ISE

Hi Mark,

From my experience of my project and the information from cisco TAC. There are three ways to do the authentication of VDIs.

1. Use SGT by nexus 1000v or n5k, etc.

2. Deploy an ASA inside your LAN to be the intranet VPN gateway. Every virtual machine should use anyconnect to dial the VPN and this will trigger the 802.1x authentication. But I don't think this will be a good choice, it means that all the data should be centralized to the ASA and this may be the bottleneck.

3. Use the multi-auth mode on the port of the switch which is connected directly to the UCS. But this needs the port to be an access port which means there can only exist 1 VLAN in the UCS and there cannot exist any channel port.

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Re: VDI Access Control with ISE

After again going through the document at the link provided by Harvinder, I have to assume EAPoL is passed through the dSwitch to the VM host connected access switch at which point 802.1x is triggered. That brings up another question. Since many times VM host to access switch connections are etherchannel trunk ports, is 802.1x possible and can it be configured on a certain vlan or is it enabled on all VLANs of the trunk?

Thank you,

Mark

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Re: VDI Access Control with ISE

I'm sure that 802.1x cannot be supported at neither trunk ports nor etherchannel ports

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Re: VDI Access Control with ISE

SiJian Bao,

That was what I was finding as well. The document that I was ready seemed to contridict itself though. One section said 802.1x is not supported on trunk or etherchannel ports. Then, in another section it said 802.1x VLAN assignment was not supported on trunk ports. Why include that statement if 802.1x is not supported on trunk ports at all?

I have to now assume you would have to have a single non-trunk connection for the VLAN of the VM desktops you want to authenticate and tag. That would be a lot of cables if you had many VLANs you wanted to configure with this feature.

I guess the concept is that you wouldn't need many VLANs because now you are tagging the traffic based on the user that logged into whichever desktop. IP address assignment would no longer be a concern (unless you consider VM desktop to VM desktop traffic from different security groups a concern).

Thank you,

Mark

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Re: VDI Access Control with ISE

Hi Mark,

Yup, you are correct. Using SGT to do the authentication has nothing to do about 802.1X. It's all about the endpoints which means the authentication cell is the VM. No need to trigger dot1x. The ISE, nexus and switch or asa will do it automatically, that leads to the no-perception authentication to VDI users.

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Re: VDI Access Control with ISE

SiJian,

Thank you for the post listed the 3 options. I hadn't considered option 2. I am looking into that one right now. The VMs that need access controls on my project would not be used frequently and would not be that numerous. This is an option worth consideration for us. Another option that came to mind after seeing that option, is to use the ASA Identity-based firewall feature. Do you or anyone else have experience using it?

Thank you,

Mark

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Re: VDI Access Control with ISE

UPDATE

I deployed an ASA firewall running the Identity-based feature between a VDI desktop pool and the rest of the internal network. I am now able to restrict access to the internal network from the VDI network based on both AD user and group. The results of testing so far are very good. I have yet to see an issue with the setup.

I am referencing AD groups in the ASA access-list so I don't have to update them when a new user is added to a department that needs a common access policy. Access is updated by the domain admin when they add and remove users from the AD group that is referenced in the access-list.

Requirements:

ASA firewall 8.4 or later

Cisco Context Directory Agent (VMware appliance with HTTPS interface)

Domain Controllers

Thank you,

Mark

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Guys,I'm dealing with a

Guys,

I'm dealing with a similar project and I would like to know if is it possible to do with Cisco appliances/solution something like fortinet example below:

http://docs-legacy.fortinet.com/fos50hlp/52/index.html#page/FortiOS%25205.2%2520Help/FSAE.044.12.htmlhttp://docs-legacy.fortinet.com/fos50hlp/52/index.html#page/FortiOS%25205.2%2520Help/FSAE.044.12.html

 

Regards!

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Looks like the identity-based

Looks like the identity-based firewall functionality I had discussed in this thread. It was a great solution for my project.

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As I understand, Citrix VDI

As I understand, Citrix VDI create a situation like NAT do, because Firewall will still see just the same MAC+IP. How could the firewall understand the diference? I can not understand how your solution using Anyconnect could help or maybe you did not understand my situation.

I think that since Citrix give a range of ports to each remote user accessing VDI enviroment, the Local Agent installed in the XEN Server give to the Fortinet firewall those ports information and based on it can control connection access.

Maybe the only solution would be using Firewall with clientless VPN to control access to VDI, but I´m not sure if it would be the better solution...

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Rodrigo,You are right if it

Rodrigo,

You are right if it is using the same IP+MAC, then I don't think the identity-based firewall feature of the ASA will work for you unless you can set the Citrix VDI to use DHCP to give a unique IP for each desktop.

This is how it worked with vmware::

1. Single VDI pool with a unique IP for each desktop assigned by DHCP on the same subnet.

2. User logs in to floating desktop and Windows login server is updated with username and IP

3. Cisco Directory Agent (CDA) gets the username/IP mapping from Windows login server.

4. Cisco ASA is configured to allow access based on Windows AD group X.

5. ASA gets username/IP mapping from CDA and checks AD directly for group assignment.

6. ASA enforces access policy on the IP that is currently used by the user of group X. Users of groups Y and Z would have different policies.

NOTE: Anyconnect is not used with identity-based firewall for Windows devices. If used for 802.1x (wired or wireless) or any other supplicant, it does allow Identity-based firewall to work with non-windows devices. If Cisco would only enhance RA VPN to work when using ISE authentication with windows domain detection or assignment, it would be a complete identity-based solution. RA VPN can work if authenticating directly with AD.

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Mark, Thank you for your

Mark,

 

Thank you for your effort and patience to help me understand the flow, but I think the trick here is DHCP assigning to give to the floating desktop an unique IP+MAC. My customer design looks like a simple Windows Terminal Desktop access.

Before giving up this project opportunity using Cisco appliances, I will search more about Citrix configuration to figure out if it is or not possible to configure something like vmware explanained by you, cause I´m sure my customer have no idea about it.

Anyway, tks again for your time and I gave you 5 stars for it.

 

Regards,

Rodrigo

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