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ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Welcome to the Cisco Networking Professionals Ask the Expert conversation. This is an opportunity to discuss Certifications Program Updates with Cisco expert Nader Nanjiani. Nanjiani has worked in the area of e-learning and certifications for more than 8 years. Nanjiani currently manages the Career Certification program for Cisco. His accomplishments include development of a telecommunications track, introduction of simulations on certification exams, and creation of a Cisco Certified Community. Feel free to post any questions relating to Certifications Program Updates. Remember to use the rating system to let Nanjiani know if you’ve received an adequate response.

Nanjiani might not be able to answer each question due to the volume expected during this event. Our moderators will post many of the unanswered questions in other discussion forums shortly after the event. This event lasts through April 25. Visit this forum often to view responses to your questions and the questions of other community members.

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New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

I would like to know what exam prep software is recommended for the CCNP track. I will be attending a CCNP boot Camp in May. I know that the exams have simulation. I would like to know which exam prep software to use.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

You may discuss with one of our Cisco Learning Partners www.cisco.com/go/clplocator/

You can contact Self Test Software at http://www.stsware.com

You can also find resources at http://www.Ciscopress.com

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

for the, Cisco Optical Specialist 1 Exam (COS 9E0-611), it has been said that

the below given are recommended trainings.

1)Optical Networking Technologies Course 1.1 (OPBNT)

2)Building Cisco Metro Optical Networks Course 1.2 (METRO)

3)Cisco ONS 15454 Provisioning and Operation Training (OPOTC)

4)Cisco ONS 15216 Provisioning and Operation Training (ONST)

5)Cisco ONS 15201/15252 Provisioning and Operation Training (ONS)

6)Cisco Transport Manager (CTM)

i would like to know whether taking the training from the cisco authorized centers/instructors is a must to appear and/or qualify the exam. also, i would like to know if there will be any lab test for this particular exam.

ramki

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Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Taking the training is not a must. You can pass the exam based on experience or past learning. There are no associated lab exams for this certification.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Hi Nader,

I have a CCIE related question. I think your policy of not counting a newly recruited CCIE as part of your required partnership certifiied people is starting to drive down salaries greatly. Maybe this was not so much of an issue during the boom a few years back. However, nowadays employers know that your number will not count towards another employer so they can keep your salary down. This does not encourage a proper market for skilled employees and , dare I say it, may deter people from pursuing the CCIE?

Much appreciate an opinion from Cisco on this one. And no, I have no personal axe to grind.....

Steve

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Hi Nanjani ,

End of April , Cisco will announce that the CCNP exam will change . Will be this a big change ???

Until when can we take and pass the actual exam ... ( because Cisco books will also change I guess )

Thanks Nanjani

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Hi Nanjani,

Please update on the new CCNP exams.Already Routing has been changed..It this the continuation of the process ????

Vj

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

As a policy, we do not pre-announce revisions to our programs. If there is to be an announcement, we make it available at www.cisco.com on the "learning and events" page.

In case of any change to Cisco certifications, we make sure that the existing courses and exams are available to our customers for two to three months after the announcement of a new program to avoid any inconvenience for those who are in midst preparing for an exam or certification.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Received a email from Cisco yesterday with the following link http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/learning_recent_article09186a0080157630.html

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Would Cisco ever consider changing the requirement to re-test every 3 years?

I understand the importance of maintaining a level required to say you are Cxxx, but having to re-take tests bothers me for many reason and I will admit money is one of the reasons.

I don't have to go back to college to prove I should still have my degree.

NO, I am not comparing degree's to certification except as it applies to this subject, so don't go there.

I think it would be OK to certify persons on certain version of Cxxx.

So I am certified as a Cxxx v2.0, as products and technology changes there will be a Cxxx v3.0, if I choose I will be Cxxx v3.0 or maybe I will wait for Cxxx v4.0, but I will always be Cxxx v2.0.

The value of certifications as always been about the same, the perception of the value has changed quite a bit and will probably change again.

There have been many discussions on certification value so I am not going to go there either.

This is a simple suggestion that I do think might interest more persons to obtaining some knowledge to help them perform their job better, which is probably a good description for certifications.

Of course, I am not concerned about Cisco revenues, etc. but I know many persons that are struggling with this format due to the economy among other things.

dcss00

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Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

You've raised an interesting question, so let me elaborate on how we view recertification:

1. When employers hire an individual with a Cisco certification they expect the individual to be a networking professional. There are many individuals who complete certifications but then leave the networking industry to pursue other interests. After three years or so, you wouldn't want those individuals to be competing for same positions and benefits that you feel you deserve since they have not made the same level of commitment to the field of networking that you have. And the way for us to distinguish whether someone has remained committed to the program or not is through Cisco exams.

2. As for the question about why should anyone have to recertify on the same content, I agree with you. As a result, in our new policy we encourage CCNA's and CCDA's to take the latest (642 prefix) CCNP, CCIP, CCDP or CCSP or CQS exams instead of taking the CCNA or CCDA exam over again.

In essence, we believe that as a networking professional, one needs to make a commitment to lifelong learning. And by passing Cisco exams, you demonstrate that commitment. So we encourage individuals to try higher level Cisco exams for their recertification to demonstrate their commitment to the field of networking. More importantly, it helps differentiate you in front of current or prospective employers from those who have not made the same level of commitment to the field of networking.

I hope that helps clarify the topic.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Nanjiani,

Thank you for your response.

I have a few more questions.

So I am a CCNP and I take the recertification test before my certification expires, this means I still have the knowledge of CCNP.

So I am a CCNP and my certification expires, but maybe 6 months or 1 year later I take the recertification test (because I spent lifelong learning time on other subjects) would I not still have the knowledge of a CCNP?

The value of the recertification test should be the same for both situations.

If by taking a recertification test while currently being certified means you are still certified i.e. have the knowledge, then if I take the test after my certification expires I think this would mean I still have the knowledge.

I think this would provide some needed flexibility as we pursue a commitment to lifelong learning.

Last question,

What recertifies a CCNP?

Recertification test

CCIE

CCIP

??

Thank You

dcss00

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Would you still have the knowledge of a CCNP - if you spent time on lifelong learning - sure you would. But there is no way for us to know unless you pass an exam that is current. So after the recert period, we encourage certifying again using the available exam. At least for CCNP right now, the demands are the same if you recertify or certify all over again.

On the CCNP recert front, you need to either complete a CCIE or pass a CCNP recer exams or take all the CCNP exams over again. Hope that helps.

New Member

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Hi Nanjiani

how can i figure out whether i am ready for the ccie written exam or not?

I mean is there any testing engine so close to the real exam ?

Regards

farshid

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Farshid, there are not any tools that Cisco recommends for that purpose.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Hi Nader Nanjiani,

I read somewhere on Cisco website that Cisco is contemplating a change in the CCNP track in the month of April.Could you please throw some light on the type of change and how its likely to affect the existing format.If someone has already started the CCNP track how will he proceed with new format.

And also would you please clearify on recert for CCNA ?.Is it necessary to complete the entire CCNP before CCNA Expires or only one paper of CCNP will resurrect the CCNA 2.0.

Regards

Vj

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

If you pursue the new exams that are currently in beta, then even one of those exams will recertify your CCNA. But you need to take the exams which are the latest ones (642 prefix).

As for any changes to the program, we don't preannounce. I would encourage reviewing our web-site to stay current with program developments.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Thanks for the reply..

A small clearification ...( 642 prefix )beta for CCNP ???

Will I get a full certificate if I pass the Beta versions.

Vj

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Yes, you would.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Thanks for Reply ..

Would you please clearify the information in this link from Cisco website ?

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/learning_recent_article09186a0080157630.html

It says new CCNP would be 643-8XX series ...and how much time would cisco normally take to regularise the BETA exams once BETA testing is over ???

Thanks

Vj

New Member

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Hi Nanjiani,

I have finished 9E0-423 (CVoice) a retiring exam. Now is it a must to take 9E0-402 (CIPT v3.2) to become an IPT Support Specialist or can I choose to take 9E0-441 (CIPT v3.3) instead?

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Hello,

To obtain your IP Telephony Support Specialist certification you may choose between the 9E0-441 CIPT exam and the 9E0-402 CIPT exam. Cisco recommends that you take the most current version of the exam, which is the 9E0-441 CIPT exam.

Good luck to you on obtaining your IP Telephony Support Specialist certification.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Hi nanjiani

i have got a question about assingning numbers to CCIEs

are numbers of deiffrent CCIEs incremented seperatly or not

and how many active CCIEs are available now ?

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

If I understand your question, you are asking about the number of CCIE's worldwide. The CCIE's as reported by a press release from Cisco two days ago was more than 9,500.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Hi Nanjiani,

Read that even one of the new series exam would recert CCNA. Would like to clarify if taking up a beta exam will recert my CCNA.. or I will have write it only after real one is released.

Regards,

Mohammed Yaseen

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Hi Yaseen, beta exam will also recertify your CCNA. Best of luck.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Nanjiani,

according to http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/learning/le27/learning_clp_update_article09186a0080128d39.html#_Redesigned_Cisco_Certified , existing CID exam 640-025 will retire in June, 2003. Does that mean that 640-025 is still good for CCDP till June, 2003 or it's already replaced by ARCH® 64(0|2)-871.

Thanks,

Val

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

It means that 640-025 is still good for CCDP - and if you pass it, then it is good for a longer period of time. We are currently in what we refer to as transition phase. However, ARCH which will fully replace CID 640-025 after the CID exam retirement date.

New Member

Re: ASK THE EXPERT- CERTIFICATIONS PROGRAM UPDATES

Nanjiani,

I passed the CID exam today.

I have a question about the CCIE certification. Currently there is no requiriment to have any of the lower certifications (CC[NDIS]P) to continue with the CCIE. Does Cisco have any plans to change this?

Thanks,

Val

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