CCIE WAN

[moniemdd]

Dear all,

I am preparing for CCIE WAN .

After finishing the CCNP four exams witht their related courses ; are there anyother training or studies i can go through further to prepare for CCIE and what is the lab setup i can use .if anyone knowes any info about CCIE WAN i will be glad if he contacted me.

[vr2zjw]

The CCIE WAN track does not exist anymore, it is replaced by Communication & Serivces track. The qualification exams for C/S WAN switching hasn't avaliable yet and the lab are the same for all qualification exam.

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/services.html

[emcclean]

Hi,

The Wan CCIE program has now been retire by Cisco (as of 31st August)

It has been replaced by the Communications & Services CCIE which is primarily router based with some Wan theory in the track specialisation theory exam.

For your interest the CCIE Wan was much tougher than the CCNP by a long margin. Without full access to all the equipment it would be practiaclly impossible to pass.

All you can do now is head for the Communications & Services CCIE which has no Wan switches in the Lab!

[c.mcguinness]

Cisco's new CCIE C&S is all smoke and mirrors. Their idea of a CCIE C&S engineer is someone who is book smart on the core technology and has practical knowledge on the edge. To me that means a CCIE C&S title is knowing routing protocols, VTP, ISL, etc. inside and out but having no PRACTICAL knowledge of chasing down a line alarm or properly configuring ATM traffic shaping. Why would and should a Stratacom engineer give a flying F… about VTP ?!! Cisco’s C&S is all about cost savings on their part and nothing about the integrity of what use to be a CCIE WAN engineer.

[xavierchang]

I can't argue with you on the points, because you are correct.

But you can look at the change as a positive thing for the existing WAN-CCIE's, because there will never be another one produced, which therefore constrains supply and hence increases the wages of those who do have it.

[c.mcguinness]

Your right on in regards to existing WAN CCIE’s but unfortunately I was planning on taking my practical in Q1-02. In Cisco's official letter on the C&S track they state that building 9 separate labs would not be economically viable, not being an expert in General Knowledge contradicts being a CCIE , there was a 60 to 1 ratio of R&S IE’s to WAN/ISP IE’s which does not justify the expense of multiple labs and the world is flat. They could have kept WAN intact and offered it only in Raleigh. Being that the Practical is pretty much based on customer scenarios/problems introduced to the TAC and the Stratacom TAC are a group of extremely talented engineers I’m sure they could have taken over the responsibility & proctoring of the WAN practical. Kicking in a bonus for WAN TAC engineers willing to proctor would help to compensate them for their extra time & burden and according to Cisco it wouldn’t have to be that often. As far as the new C&S offerings, they could have made those Specialists programs. Finally they contradict themselves in saying that not having a practical in General Knowledge contradicts a CC IE, well then not having a practical on WAN would contradict a WAN CCIE. Sorry if sounds like I’m beating this topic to death but it’s frustrating after spending years on BPX/IGX/MGX’s and now having to switch focus to things like “Bridging and LAN Switching”. Let’s see “switch(enable)# set vtp …” versus “Next Command: addcon 1.3.1.190 BPXAH2 2.1.1.190 atfr ..…” the similarities are uncanny.

[xavierchang]

Of course, if anybody here really wants to try a worthy provider-oriented cert, I invite them to try the Juniper JNCIE. Yeah, I know it has nothing to do with Stratacom WAN-switches. But at least it seems to be closer to what providers are looking for than the C/S.