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4235 IDM and VMS hang and won't connect

I've got a 4235 that we are managing and IDM nor VMS will connect to it for management purposes. We have opened a TAC case but they haven't figured it out yet so I figured I'd see if anyone out here has some ideas. We already downgraded and upgraded and the problem persists. This is the second device we have had at this location and problems were similar. If I try to connect with IDM, I get the certificate banner but no IDM display (just the spinning globe) so I know my access-lists and routing is set up okay. I'm including a snoop session for the IDM connection and you will see the three way handshake and some communication and then the IDS (10.42.46.83) just seems to keep pushing an ack until the timeout and then it sends a FIN. I've tried this connection from several IE clients on different machines with the same results. ANY IDEAS????

TCPDUMP from 4235:

16:14:40.619713 10.150.167.70.4764 > 10.42.46.83.https: S 1389033586:1389033586(0) win 64512 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)

16:14:40.619747 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: S 3267040547:3267040547(0) ack 1389033587 win 5840 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)

16:14:40.683769 10.150.167.70.4764 > 10.42.46.83.https: . ack 1 win 64512 (DF)

16:14:40.686666 10.150.167.70.4764 > 10.42.46.83.https: P 1:71(70) ack 1 win 64512 (DF)

16:14:40.686744 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . ack 71 win 5840 (DF)

16:14:40.687163 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: P 1:626(625) ack 71 win 5840 (DF)

16:14:40.773693 10.150.167.70.4764 > 10.42.46.83.https: P 71:283(212) ack 626 win 63887 (DF)

16:14:40.783033 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: P 626:632(6) ack 283 win 6432 (DF)

16:14:40.783198 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: P 632:701(69) ack 283 win 6432 (DF)

16:14:40.848248 10.150.167.70.4764 > 10.42.46.83.https: . ack 701 win 63812 (DF)

16:14:40.854929 10.150.167.70.4764 > 10.42.46.83.https: P 283:560(277) ack 701 win 63812 (DF)

16:14:40.855523 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: P 701:1018(317) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:40.856048 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2478(1460) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:40.856060 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: P 2478:3591(1113) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:40.861662 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:40.947994 10.150.167.70.4764 > 10.42.46.83.https: . ack 1018 win 63495 <nop,nop,sack sack 1 {2478:3591} > (DF)

16:14:40.948054 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 2434:2478(44) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:41.010193 10.150.167.70.4764 > 10.42.46.83.https: . ack 1018 win 63495 <nop,nop,sack sack 1 {2434:3591} > (DF)

16:14:41.218497 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:41.778500 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:42.898501 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:45.138526 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:49.618505 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:14:58.578506 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:15:16.498507 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:15:52.338511 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:17:04.018514 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:19:04.018513 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: . 1018:2434(1416) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:19:40.858726 10.42.46.83.https > 10.150.167.70.4764: FP 3591:3620(29) ack 560 win 7504 (DF)

16:19:40.942356 10.150.167.70.4764 > 10.42.46.83.https: . ack 1018 win 63495 <nop,nop,sack sack 1 {2434:3620} > (DF)

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