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tips on air-ant1728 with ap 1242

has anyone got any ideas on this... we have wlan project for warehouse and we're lookin at the 5.2 dBi 1728 antena. should this antena come in pairs or only one? will the gain increased to 10.4 dBi if used in pairs? if in pairs, can it be installed like the right will point in one direction and the other on another direction?

a bit confused here...

thanks for any ideas!

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Hall of Fame Super Red

Re: tips on air-ant1728 with ap 1242

Hi Pirate,

Arrgghh Matey!

This is NOT supported :( Have a close look at the attached docs (especially the Golf Course Case Study);

The use of two Antennas on these AP's is used for "Diversity Mode" and won't change the stated transmit power of the Antenna as only one Transmits at any given time. Here is an explanation for the use of two Antennas :)

This describes the use of 2 **Identical Antennas in "Diversity" Mode;

The purpose of diversity is to overcome multipath reflections. Diversity antennas that share the same physical housing are placed at an optimum distance apart. The maker of the particular antenna determines that distance based on the characteristics of the antenna. When you use a pair of antennas with matching characteristics to provide diversity for cell coverage in your facility, the guideline is to put those matched antennas at a distance apart from each other that is equal to a multiple of the wavelength of the frequency that is being transmitted. The 2.4 GHz wavelength is approximately 4.92 inches. Therefore, to support diversity on a 2.4 GHz radio with two separate antennas, the antennas should be spaced approximately 5 inches apart. The antenna pair could also be spaced at multiples of 5 inches, but the distance between should not exceed 4 multiples: reflected waves farther apart than that are likely to be so distorted and different in delay spread that the radio could not work with them.Because each antenna is selected by itself, both antennas must have the same radiation characteristics and be positioned to provide similar cell coverage.

**** Two antennas connected to the same access point must not be used to cover two different cells.****

From this good doc;

Multipath and Diversity

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note09186a008019f646.shtml

A diversity antenna system can be compared to a switch that selects one antenna or another, never both at the same time. The radio in receive mode will continually switch between antennas listening for a valid radio packet. After the beginning sync of a valid packet is heard, the radio will evaluate the sync signal of the packet on one antenna, then switch to the other antenna and evaluate. Then the radio will select the best antenna and use only that antenna for the remaining portion of that packet.

On transmit, the radio will select the same antenna it used the last time it communicated to that given radio. If a packet fails, it will switch to the other antenna and retry the packet.

One caution with diversity, it is not designed for using two antennas covering two different coverage cells. The problem in using it this way is that, if antenna no. 1 is communicating to device no. 1 while device no. 2 (which is in the antenna no. 2 cell) tries to communicate, antenna no. 2 is not connected (due to the position of the switch), and the communication fails. Diversity antennas should cover the same area from only a slightly different location."

Diversity Antenna Systems

Diversity antenna systems are used to overcome a phenomenon known as multipath distortion of multipath fading. It uses two **identical antennas, located a small distance apart, to provide coverage to the same physical area.

From this Antenna reference guide;

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps469/products_data_sheet09186a008008883b.html

Hope this helps!

Rob

New Member

Re: tips on air-ant1728 with ap 1242

Just to avoid a misunderstanding: The 1728 is a omnidirectional antenna. It should "point" downwards to work properly.

We use these antennas for warehouses, too. Most of the time in pairs, about 3 feet away from each other. Works fine.

The 4941 are a problem if the ceiling is very high, and the baseball-bats (24120) are a bit oversized. So the 1728 or the 2506 are a good choice here.

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Hall of Fame Super Red

Re: tips on air-ant1728 with ap 1242

Hi Pirate,

Arrgghh Matey!

This is NOT supported :( Have a close look at the attached docs (especially the Golf Course Case Study);

The use of two Antennas on these AP's is used for "Diversity Mode" and won't change the stated transmit power of the Antenna as only one Transmits at any given time. Here is an explanation for the use of two Antennas :)

This describes the use of 2 **Identical Antennas in "Diversity" Mode;

The purpose of diversity is to overcome multipath reflections. Diversity antennas that share the same physical housing are placed at an optimum distance apart. The maker of the particular antenna determines that distance based on the characteristics of the antenna. When you use a pair of antennas with matching characteristics to provide diversity for cell coverage in your facility, the guideline is to put those matched antennas at a distance apart from each other that is equal to a multiple of the wavelength of the frequency that is being transmitted. The 2.4 GHz wavelength is approximately 4.92 inches. Therefore, to support diversity on a 2.4 GHz radio with two separate antennas, the antennas should be spaced approximately 5 inches apart. The antenna pair could also be spaced at multiples of 5 inches, but the distance between should not exceed 4 multiples: reflected waves farther apart than that are likely to be so distorted and different in delay spread that the radio could not work with them.Because each antenna is selected by itself, both antennas must have the same radiation characteristics and be positioned to provide similar cell coverage.

**** Two antennas connected to the same access point must not be used to cover two different cells.****

From this good doc;

Multipath and Diversity

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note09186a008019f646.shtml

A diversity antenna system can be compared to a switch that selects one antenna or another, never both at the same time. The radio in receive mode will continually switch between antennas listening for a valid radio packet. After the beginning sync of a valid packet is heard, the radio will evaluate the sync signal of the packet on one antenna, then switch to the other antenna and evaluate. Then the radio will select the best antenna and use only that antenna for the remaining portion of that packet.

On transmit, the radio will select the same antenna it used the last time it communicated to that given radio. If a packet fails, it will switch to the other antenna and retry the packet.

One caution with diversity, it is not designed for using two antennas covering two different coverage cells. The problem in using it this way is that, if antenna no. 1 is communicating to device no. 1 while device no. 2 (which is in the antenna no. 2 cell) tries to communicate, antenna no. 2 is not connected (due to the position of the switch), and the communication fails. Diversity antennas should cover the same area from only a slightly different location."

Diversity Antenna Systems

Diversity antenna systems are used to overcome a phenomenon known as multipath distortion of multipath fading. It uses two **identical antennas, located a small distance apart, to provide coverage to the same physical area.

From this Antenna reference guide;

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps469/products_data_sheet09186a008008883b.html

Hope this helps!

Rob

New Member

Re: tips on air-ant1728 with ap 1242

Just to avoid a misunderstanding: The 1728 is a omnidirectional antenna. It should "point" downwards to work properly.

We use these antennas for warehouses, too. Most of the time in pairs, about 3 feet away from each other. Works fine.

The 4941 are a problem if the ceiling is very high, and the baseball-bats (24120) are a bit oversized. So the 1728 or the 2506 are a good choice here.

Re: tips on air-ant1728 with ap 1242

hello rob & SJessulat,

thanks for your replies. both were really helpful. just wanna ask... the customer is having a third-party antenna which is 2.4 GHz 3dBi omni. is it recommended to use with the aironet 1242? i looked at cisco aironet antennas and can't find the same dBi antenna. (or i probably missed it.)

thanks again!

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