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Security advise for new small office

Guys,

We have reciently moved office to a new building and as we are Cisco partners the first place that i thought that i would lokk for a CCTV solution is Cisco obviosuly.

Were only on two floors of about 3,000 sq feet. no more than 12 employees and say about 6 internal camers and 3 external.

I have tried looking through the Cisco documentation but am very confused as to what a small company would actually need (i know that there is a small business solution but was wanting as much functionality as pos)

Do i just need a Video Surveillance manager, cameras and some sortage space on a server?

Am i better going for the SMB solution.

Can you point me in the right direction please

Thanks

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Cisco Employee

Re: Security advise for new small office

Hi!

Have you seen the ISR related solutions? These are quite flexible, and if you're already using an ISR for your voice and data transit, this could fit right in.

Take a look here, there's some high level information and some documentation on this page:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9671/prod_module_series_home.html

Hope that helps,

Matt

Re: Security advise for new small office

Thanks Matt

but i dont have an ISR,

can anyone please help and give me some advise please?

Come on guys give me some advise :-)

thanks in advance

New Member

Re: Security advise for new small office

Hi,

9 cameras required sounds fairly straightforward. Do you also require archiving of camera feeds? If so, for how long? Hours, days, weeks?

To all proposed camera locations, does your deployment site have Cat5 house cable (and IP infrastructure - switches / routers) or COAX cable?

Is this greenfield or replacing existing CCTV infrastructure?

Need to answer these three questions to better answer your question.

Thanks.

Re: Security advise for new small office

Hi James,

thanks for the reply, was starting to give up hope ;-)

Ok you answers below;

9 cameras required sounds fairly straightforward. Do you also require archiving of camera feeds? YES If so, for how long? NOT SURE YET Hours, days, weeks? Would be good if it could recorded on motion detection.  Would be good for recording at night.  Would be good to get email alerts.  would be good to be able to acces this remotely from iPAD, iphone etc.

To all proposed camera locations, does your deployment site have Cat5 house cable YES (and IP infrastructure - switches / routers ) or COAX cable? - 3750 PoE switches

Is this greenfield or replacing existing CCTV infrastructure? GREENFIELD

basically we have a new office and this is the first time we have looked at CCTV.  ALL cisco infrastructure, 3750's, call manager, ASA, WLC etc ;-)

I have looked at the small business range as well but dont know if i will get all features and the best camera images, can you advise

Thanks

New Member

Re: Security advise for new small office

Hi,

I'd recommend qty1 CIVS-MSP-2RU (server) with qty12 CIVS-HDD-1000 (hard drives to be placed in CIVS-MSP-2RU) with both VSOM and VSMS running on this server.

Cisco Physical Security Multiservices Platform for Video Surveillance

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/vpndevc/ps6918/ps9145/ps9152/data_sheet_c78-490683.html

This will give you ~10TB available for video archiving, and provide for camera scaling beyond the initial 9 camera deployment.

In terms of the 9 cameras, this will depend on whether you require:

1. Standard Definition (SD) or High Definition (HD) imaging.

2. Indoor or Outdoor camera positions.

3. Fixed position or Pan-Tilt-Zoom (PTZ) cameras.

See here:

IP Cameras

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6712/index.html

One note, an alternate (potentially better) theater for pre-sales product recommendations (like these) would be your Cisco Account Team. If you're interested, I can put someone in touch with you - just let me know.

Thanks,

Re: Security advise for new small office

Hi James,

thanks again for your great reply.

ok a few more questions :-)

It looks to me that the CIVS-MSP-2RU is basically server with a few options - Analog video encoder card, Fibre Channel card etc but if i am not using any of these as i am going to use just Ip cameras than is it possible to use my own high end server with RAID5 and run both VSOM and VSMS on this??

Also is there a demo available of the software so that i can run it and take a look at the features?? Sometimes you can download various Cisco softwre but it is just a 30 eval or restricted to a few devices.

Not too sure on the camera to select, for indoor i would like high definition and the ability to work int he dark. so maybe the CIVS-IPC-5011with a
CIVS-IPC-VFM28-12.

As for outdoor am not sure as i cant see any HD versions?? CIVS-IPC-2935 ??

Am also not sure on PTZ as no one be operating the CCTV so therefore i think just fixed cameras??

Yes it would be great if you could get someone that specialises in the CCTV soltuon to contact me as this is definalty something that we would be interested in reselling inthe future as it would complement our wireless portfolio. (We are advanced wireless LAN cert)

Look forward to your reply

Thanks

New Member

Re: Security advise for new small office

Jim Mathers is providing some good advice.  I would stick with fixed HD cameras so long as you have gig ethernet from the camera all the way to the server. (You could run a lower resolution and bitrate to make up for 100Mbit link, but you could potentially see some packet loss and video quality degradation.)

The CIVS-MSP-2RU platform does not come standard with any analog encoders or fiber channel cards, but you are correct - you may use any high end server which is capable of performing at the level of a media server.  (Please be aware that Cisco would not be responsible to support the performance of the server unless installed on the recommended Cisco hardware.)  A modern high end server with hardware raid should be fine for both VSMS and VSOM coresident for the number of cameras you plan to deploy.

If you have a copy of SuSE linux, SLES 10 SP1 or 9 SP3, or Red Hat RHEL4.2, the rpms on the CCO site for download would permit evaluating this solution.

The CIVS-IPC-5011 would be a good choice for a HD dome.  There is not a part number orderable yet to my knowledge for a outdoor HD dome.  I'll let someone else chime in here and correct me

Fixed cameras are preferred by most customers I speak with, and those who deployed PTZ cameras usually regret the decision for the simple fact that 50% of the time, the cameraseems to be pointed in the wrong direction to catch the action.   That coupled with the increased cost of a PTZ camera means you can deploy two cameras to capture the areas of interest for the cost of 1 PTZ camera.  (Speaking of SD cameras anyway... do the cost comparison for yourself before you decide on a solution.)  Casinos are the exception as they need the functionality of PTZ.  Then again, they have dedicated security staff monitoring gaming tables in real time, so are able to fully utilize the full functionality of PTZ.

I hope this helps...

Cisco Employee

Re: Security advise for new small office

Indeed, Cisco doesn't have a outdoor HD dome camera available - yet.

That said, you can use the Cisco 5000 series camera with compatible outdoor housing.

In example, Pelco DF5-PG-E1 should do the trick (see attached .pdf).

Hope this helps!

Gregor

Re: Security advise for new small office

Hi

  Thanks for the reply!


Couple more questions:-)


Do the HD cameras rearly need Gig connection.  I have a new 3750 PoE (100mbps) and was hoping to connect them back directly into this.


How is the VSMS and VSOM licenced? is it per camera?


You mentioned the " the rpms on the CCO site" can you be a litle more specific what you mean about this? what is the rpms?


Thats it for now


Thansk again

New Member

Re: Security advise for new small office

Hi,

1. 4300, 4500, and 5000 series HD cameras have a single 100BaseT interface, they cannot be Gig-connected.

2. Generally speaking, you need to purchase a Stream License for each non-Cisco feed which will terminate on VSMS. This is in addition to software-only licenses required for VSOM and VSMS when running them on customer-provided hardware. However, subtleties exist within the licensing program hence I'll defer this answer to someone from the pre-Sales Team - let us know if you haven't gotten a response in a few days.

3. The RPMs (RPM Package Managers) are VSOM and VSMS software files used to install VSOM or VSMS on a target machine. For example, if you were using locally sourced server hardware running Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 and wanted to install VSMS, the file you'd download from cisco.com would be:

Cisco_VSMS-6.3.1-21d_rhel4.zip

Unzipping this file would reveal the RPM files that 'jfiranzi' mentions.

Thanks,

New Member

Re: Security advise for new small office

Ok, LONG dead post, but I did want to point out a few things for future readers. 

"I have tried looking through the Cisco documentation but am very confused as to what a small company would actually need (i know that there is a small business solution but was wanting as much functionality as pos)

Do i just need a Video Surveillance manager, cameras and some sortage space on a server?"

There isn't a Cisco manual anywhere that will tell you what you need, security wise, for any specific type of deployment.  It is on you to make that assessment.  If you have a genuine security concern, look for a physical security consultant. 

Prior to any security planning, there are a few different things that need to be taken into consideration.  There is no 'end-all' security solution; all security devices should be part of a layered security plan. 

You have to analyze contributing factors.  Your office area for instance: How many points of entry and exit?  Is it glass faced?  How many windows?  Are you in a high rise type area, or an area with 1 -3 story structures only?  Fencing? Shrubbery? Lighting?  Vehicle accessibility?  Is this a high crime area?  Is there a lot of pedestrian traffic?

Value vs. expense:  What are you trying to protect?  What are you protecting it from?  Are these devices also to be used for internal issues (loss prevention)?  Is property the main focus, personnel?  Are there liability concerns? 

Then look at other systems in place, or planned.  Will access control be used?  Fire panels?  Roving security, a monitoring service?

I think sometimes we'll focus on numbers too much, and practical use can sometimes suffer for it.  The tech is great.  Deploying it in a sensible manner that actually accomplishes something, that's awesome.

Or are you going to use your office as a potential illustrator for clients?

New Member

Security advise for new small office

Don't forget that vsm 7 lite is now out (3500 list includes VSOM and VSMS) allowing up to 32 cameras on on 1 or 2ru box. Use a 1ru server and you have a very inexpensive small deployment model.

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