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Help choosing outdoor cam.: vc240 or pvc300+vc030?

Hello,

I am studying cisco cameras for outdoor since I am considering to buy one until they are on the market.

I am comparing vc240 vs pvc300 with vc030 enclosure. I like vc240 can see in the night but it seem vc240 does not have computer-Less recording to NAS which pvc300 has, also pvc300 is natively PTZ. hmmm...so far still confused which I should buy. pvc300 setup is cheaper than vc240 in my area. I cannot figure yet which is easier to install outdoor (how many cables I need?) and more resistant to outdoor environment.

Any other info helping to evaluate the choice is appreciated.

Thank you
Antonio

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Help choosing outdoor cam.: vc240 or pvc300+vc030?

Antonio,

If you'll be installing outdoor the VC240 will definitely be easier to install and in regarding your concern for computer-less recording to NAS do not worry, the VC240 is capable of similar task. For installation the VC240 will require you to mount the camera with a minimum of only 1 connection to the POE Ethernet plug, the camera itself is IP66 as is the VC030. However once you mount the VC030 there will be wiring to the VC030 (for heater and cooling fan) and also one for the PVC300. For the VC030 you will need an power outlet nearby and the ability to see at night may not be acceptable to you. As this camera has no ir filter switcher you will not be able to use an ir illuminator, only a white light source, but as you mentioned, you get PTZ.......

Alan.

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Help choosing outdoor cam.: vc240 or pvc300+vc030?

Hi Alan,

thank you again for your help.

The VC240 looks definitely as a better camera after reading your explanation. I really don't need PTZ for this installation. My only last concern is compter less recording, I wonder how this can be possible with VC240, I read the spec and SAMBA client is not supported in this camera, so how can it record video on a storage device if there is no computer?

Thank you

Antonio

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Help choosing outdoor cam.: vc240 or pvc300+vc030?

Hi Antonio,

If you download the administration guide for the VC240 (Simply type VC240 administration guide in the Google search) and go to page 72 (Applications>Servers), it explains how to set up the Samba. As I mentioned, all our cameras have Samba client built in so they can all be connected to a NAS for no-PC recording. Let me know if you have more questions. By the way the VC240 also has a wide-to-tele lens that'll give you approximately 3.6x zoom (3.3mm-12mm).

Alan.

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Help choosing outdoor cam.: vc240 or pvc300+vc030?

By the way the VC240 also has a wide-to-tele lens that'll give you approximately 3.6x zoom (3.3mm-12mm).

Do you know how these focal lengths translate into 35mm standard?  Is the lens fixed or interchangeable?

Also, I'm new to this POE concept to do both communication and power on same ethernet cable, my question is, can I use the standard ethernet cable connected to the network switch or I should add something somewhere to add the power to the cable?

Thanks again

Antonio

New Member

Re: Help choosing outdoor cam.: vc240 or pvc300+vc030?

Hi Antonio,

Below is the CCTV lens chart, for the VC240 the lens is a 1/3".

35 mm

1/4"

1/3"

1/2"

2/3"

1"

Angle

10

0.9

1.4

1.8

2.5

3.7

120.6

35

3.2

4.8

6.4

8.8

12.8

53.2

60

5.5

8.2

11.0

15.1

22

32.6

85

7.7

11.6

15.6

21.3

31.1

23.3

110

10.0

15.1

20.1

27.6

40.3

18.1

135

12.3

18.5

24.7

33.9

49.4

14.8

160

14.6

21.9

29.3

40.2

58.6

12.5

185

16.8

25.3

33.9

46.4

67.7

10.8

210

19.1

28.8

38.4

52.7

76.9

9.5

235

21.4

32.2

43.0

59.0

86.0

8.5

260

23.7

35.6

47.6

65.3

95.2

7.7

Above chart courtesy of Promax Security USA.


As for the POE, you'll need a POE switch to connect your camera to, the power runs on the same Ethernet cable as the one connected to the camera (from the switch). There are 2 ways the power can be transmitted, either on the free lines or on the data lines. As you know the data only uses 4 lines (or 2 pairs) of the 8 inside the Ethernet cable. The advantage of using a POE switch (Cisco Small Business has several) is that you don't have to get a qualified electrician to run power to your camera power supply. The thick single cable from the VC240 which houses several wires including Ethernet, power, IO ports, RS-485 and audio is outdoor rated and ultra-violet resistant.

Alan.

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Re: Help choosing outdoor cam.: vc240 or pvc300+vc030?

Hi Alan,

I gave a look to admin guide for vc240, very interesting, really a nice product, too bad it will be discontinued.

I especially like the cyclic recording based on max size, when size is reached camera auto overwrite oldest files. I wish I had this func. on my wvc210, to get this with wvc 210 I am thinking to rely on a computer in sleep mode that periodically wakes up , cleans the files and then goes to sleep again.

Anyway, I wanted to ask you if I understand correctly based on what I read. Is it possible that I connect the signal of my alarm sensor to vc240 in a way that when the sensor (not the camera) detect motion the camera records a videoclip on the NAS? (ideally 1 second before the event trigger and few seconds after) What kind of connection I should make to the camera, are these camera digital input/output signals involved?

Thank you for the POE explanation, now I understand, also I saw the tick cable you talk about on the admin guide, really powerful and easy setup.

Regards

Antonio

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Re: Help choosing outdoor cam.: vc240 or pvc300+vc030?

Hi Antonio,

Yes to answer your question, to connect to the external alarm (such as a passive infrared sensor or PIR as it is called) you connect to the IO ports. The configuration can be just like if you're setting on camera motion detection in that you can chose the frame rate, where to record it to, etc. Connection is through regular wiring the size of the audio cables on the camera. If I'm not mistaken they are 21 AWG.

One more honorable mentioning I'd like to add is the Intraframe feature on page 62, this would save you even more space and is the only camera in our lineup that has this feature. Basically what it does is streaming every specified frames up to 120. This means that if you set up 30 frames per second and you set the intraframe to 120, you will get 1 partial frame every 4 seconds. If you're not familiar with mpeg-4 format you can wiki it and it'll explain how the mpeg-4 video is assembled.

Alan.

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