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Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

I am using TMS 13.0.1, VCS and VCSE X6.1 and currently have about 150 MOVI clients. I would like to be able to see Ad-hoc calls between 2 MOVI in my TMS conference Control Center.  The only way I see a MOVI is when they talk to an H.323 system (either endpoint or MCU)

Is this available and I don't know how to set it up or is it not part of TMS?

Am i the only one that would like this feature?

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Re: Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

Haven't had a look at Movi <->Movi, but just connected in to my office unit from home using Movi (SIP<->SIP) and it shows up ok in TMS. We use a lot SIP between our end-points as well, both MXPs and C-series, and they all show up, both scheduled and ad-hocs. You've made me curious now, so I'll have check Movi <-> Movi when back at work on Monday, however, it would be strange if it didn't show up as it's just another SIP<->SIP call.

You might want to think about upgrading though, as we're on 13.1.2 and X7.02.

cheers jens

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New Member

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

The check is in the mail for my maintenance, so I have to wait a wile longer to do the updates. I mostly do H.323 for all my endpoints as i have mostly older equipment, most of the SIP to SIP is MOVI only and when interacting, VCS translate.

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

Hmm, interesting, Movi <-> Movi calls are indeed not shown in TMS, SIP calls between endpoints and Movi, and between endpoints only, all show up, But Movi/Movi...nope

As for upgrading, you can upgrade TMS to 13.1.2 without a new release key as it's a dot release.

cheers jens

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Cisco Employee

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

The Conference Control Center will only show calls involving et least one system managed by TMS. As Movi isn't a TMS managed system, Movi <-> Movi calls won't show in the CCC.

Regards,

Kjetil

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

Movi is not a system, but its managed/provisioned via TMS, I did not test it but the same issue

might occur with provisioned endpoints (TC5 seems to be out (soon), incl xml files for provisioning).

For me the  CDR handling in TMS is less then ideal.

In theory the integration in between VCS and TMS with the "external manager" should give TMS all the information it needs, but TMS does not give it to us admins.

Its not only movi, also 3rd party devices or integration calls which wont be shown.

So it would be a good thing in the future if full call information (cdrs) from the VCS could be found in TMS.

Martin

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Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

Well put Martin, totally agree - it would also be great if number of available Movi licences, total and free, was right there on the portal page...let's see what 13.2 will bring.

As for TC5, it's out now, I just finished upgrading all of my C-series systems

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New Member

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

This is exactly what I am talking about, TMS does not show properly the MOVI to MOVI communication in any way shape or form, the sad thing is that I now have just about as many MOVI than H.323 endpoints and they are very difficult to track unless they either do any type of protocol translation, then I see them in TMS.  As I thing about 25% of my VC are MOVI to MOVI, it's about time Cisco treaded theses communications the same way they treat H.323 (or registered endpoints)  As I assume that if you have registered endpoints doing SIP to SIP with other registered endpoints, it will be tracked.

I have spoken to my Cisco rep of this frustration before, and the way I see it, unless more people ask about this capability, it will not be incorporated.

New Member

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

Have you submitted as a feature request? This is a point of pain for us as well so I will submit as a feature request as well.

New Member

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

That would be great as I am between maintenance right now. I have submitted my procurement, but it takes a while to get sent to Cisco.

I will also submit it when I am back in Cisco's grace.

Thank you

Cisco Employee

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

Hi all, the main purpose of CCC is to provide a management surface for multipoint and high touch (direct managed) systems. If you are simply looking to see real-time calls and call history, you have several options.

You can see real-time call traffic loading your VCSs by viewing the "Active Calls" tab of the VCS in the Systems Navigator page for that VCS (or VCS cluster member). This view is real-time, and shows the source IP/Alias and destination IP/alias. You can view historical call data using the built-in reporting or the more extensive Analytics Extension, which uses multidimensional data sources to allow you to refine and drill down/through call data.

Thanks,

Kieron

TMS Product Management

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

Hi Kieron!

How detailled is the Analytics extension regarging movi2movi, non managed endpoints, generic VCS-CDRs?

I do not see any way to get historic data like that out of the standard TMS.

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Cisco Employee

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

TMS Analytics Extension is quite deep, and you would be much better served engaging your account team for more information!

Kieron

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

That's fine Kieron, but....considering we now have more and more Movi users, and 3 stand-alone VCS'; two VCS-C and one VCS-E, that means we would have to 3 instances of TMS open just to see these calls - having this as part of CCC, would be so much more efficient - considering we can see Movi<-->Endpoint calls, I really can't see why Movi<-->Movi calls could not be incorporated into CCC in the future.

cheers jens

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Cisco Employee

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

I think you have to look at why you want to look at the calls before you consider opening up a bunch of pages for the sake of monitoring in real-time. As Movi (now a Jabber flavor) adoption grows, you simply cannot watch all of the calls occur for the sake of watching, there are too many.

Again, the main purpose of CCC is for conference management, where the operator can take automation control of the participants or multipoint resource.

Do you have a specific use case in mind, outside of just listing/seeing the calls?

Kieron

New Member

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

Thanks Kieron for this information, but the fact that I like to see what is happening in my VC network at a glance helps me in my work.  If only for that, i would like an all in solution. TMS is a great tool, I do not feel i should need to add the analytics extention, as all other reports are sufficient for now.

One other thing, if we only need to see multipoint and high touch (direct managed) systems, why do i need to see normal H.323 traffic when point to point, but it is available. Why do I need to see ad hoc calls, guess what I see them too.  What i mean, is that why is the "cheap Cisco MOVI not reporting" maybe it is not worth the investment for Cisco.  We invest huge amounts of money in Cisco either endpoints, VCS, bridges and TMS, ok we save when we purchase MOVI, but why can't we use MOVI as a real endpoint. that is what scares me, i have close to 50/50 split between endpoints and MOVI and it won't be long before I probably MOVI doubles the endpoint.

If I can't see them properly, i will prefer to go with Polycom and pay the taxe for device licenses on my TMS, that way i will be able to monitor properly and do what i think i need to do with my TMS.

Is there a way to see SIP to SIP calls in TMS?

Hi Kieron,

I see where you're coming from, but I think it would be nice to have an option similar to "Show MCU" and "Show Ad-hoc" for Movi.

We use Movi a bit differently here as it's also used for teaching into remote areas where putting a C20 or a C40 in place is not an option money-wise, but using Movi with a 40-42" LCD panel works fine and is cost effective.

Yes, I know this is not what Movi was intended for, but it works - which is the main thing - and those are the calls we would like to keep an eye on from a support perspective as support staff also RDP into these PCs if required as there is no technical support available locally.

We don't have thousands of users, and chances are we never will despite what's happening early next year ,

we don't work in a UC environment, we don't even have "Find Me" as the vast majority of academics just doesn't want to "be found", so to speak.

Our researchers, who are heavily into collaboration, mainly use EVO, which is far more suitable for them as they can also bring AccessGrids into the equation.

So, we're living in different worlds really, which isn't such a bad thing as it would be pretty boring otherwise.

cheers jens

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