I am trying to figure out what kind of hardware I need for upgrading to 6.0.3 and looking over all the docs I have, I am not sure which way to go.
Currently I have
Win master with Oracle DB
4 PS adapters
1 email adapter
1 Win agent
1 Unix agent
1. Win master - I figured Server 2008, 64 bit with 12 GB RAM
Win Client Manager - Server 2008, 64 bit with 12 GB RAM and 20 GB+ of space; I plan on looking at Fault Tolerance next year...
Would this set up be good enough for the upgrade or should I increase the RAM?
2. On pg 66 of the guide it says 'if the minimum system requirements have been met, the Client Manager can be installed on the same machine as the Master'.
So I am looking at only 1 Server 2008 server, 64 bit with maybe 20 gigs RAM for both master and client mgr?
Is anyone running this in production right now? What are the pros and cons for #2? How many jobs a day?
Lumi - I have setup both options for clients and in my opionion either way works. To save costs #2 is best but can you tell me how many CPU's you will have and around how many jobs do you currently run?
If it were me knowing I wanted to go with FT later next year. Opt for #1 because that would give you the needed hardware (minus a smaller server for the Fault Monitor) when you go with FT. Your specs are high for 500 jobs but it's always good to spec high for growth.
Design wise I can help you road map this out for today's upgrade and tomorrows FT solution going with #1.
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High Level Solution with the hardware your looking at.
1 Windows Master
1 CM Server
2 Databases (one for Tidal and the other for the CM)
When you want to go with FT
1 Windows Master w CM installed
1 CM Server (also your backup Master)
2 Databases (one for Tidal and the other for the CM)
1 new smaller server for FT
What you gain here is two masters both having a CM on them which then gives you HA options for the CM component by using a LB to balance the load between the two CM's,
In your post you state:
"On pg 66 of the guide it says ..."
I have been searchingfor documention on the upgrade/installation and cannot find anything. Where did you find the "guide" you refer to?
We are currently running tes 5.3.1 and will need to upgrade to the new 6.1 version, but i have heard that we cannot go direct, but rather upgrade to 6.0 then 6.1.
I was looking at the Installation Guide ver 6.0.1 from the TES_220.127.116.11.zip. I was not aware that you have to upgrade to 6.0 then 6.1;my understanding is that you upgrade directly from 5.3.x to 6.1.
I had downloaded every version but the 6.0.1 and didnt see any documentation in the zip. I am downloading that version now - thank you.
We also want to go directly to 6.1 from 5.3. I read one post on another user group that said you could not.
I hope that someone will post of their experience in upgrading direct from 5.3 to 6.1, otherwise I will update when we find out more ourselves.
Back then the idea was that I can go directly from 5.3.x to 6.0.3, but now with 6.1 out, I am not sure.
6.1 has 2 files, one of them is the doc: TES_18.104.22.168_doc_10.09.2012.zip. That should give you all the guides.
On page 1 of the 6.1 release notes, there is a section titled "Upgrading from 6.0.x to 6.1.0", but no reference of 5.3x to 6.1. That also concerns me.
Going back to your original post, be aware that the client manager eats memory. It will barely start in anything under 8Gb RAM and, depending on the complexity of your schedules and number of interactive user sessions you can quite easily add another couple of GB per user to that. I'd suggest that if you can, give it its own machine. This, for example, is a process listing from my DEV T6 instance Client Manager with just a single open session.
PID USERNAME SIZE RSS STATE PRI NICE TIME CPU PROCESS/NLWP
19022 tidal 8759M 3927M sleep 59 0 6:22:45 0.0% java/97
You'd probably be better putting the master and database on the same box and having CM run elsewhere.
Thank you! We're going to keep them separate.
By the way, now that 6.1 is out, can I upgrade from 5.3.x directly to 6.1 or do I have to go to 6.0.3 first?
I've just done an update of the master from 6.0.3 to 6.1 on my test system and it took almost a whole 2 minutes.
That being so I wouldn't say having to go via 6.0.3 to get to 6.1 was really that much of a hurdle, if it is indeed the case.
Adding that amount of time to the process would not be a concern to most.
You CAN upgrade from 5.3.1 to 6.1. We are looking to add this to the installation document.
You are referring to 6.0.1. You should use 6.1 and not 6.0.1.
Sorry about the confusion guys..
Thats great news John, thank you.
Do you have an estimate as to when the documentation will be updated? We are looking to have our QA environment upgraded within a month.
Also, can we use our existing QA and production licenses for the upgrade?
I just got an email regarding the new TES ver 22.214.171.124 which seems to be a full install. Earlier I was told that I can upgrade from 5.3.1.x to 126.96.36.199 so I was waiting to see what documentation will be posted regarding that. Now that the new version is out
1. - can I upgrade from 5.3.1.x directly to 188.8.131.52? Can I expect any issues?
2. - is there some documentation regarding this upgrade?
You can upgrade from 5.3.1 to 6.10.133. The upgrade instructions should be included in the Installation and Configuration Guide under the 'Upgrading Components' section.
here is my today's experience... :
6.0.2 and 6.0.3 where "soft" regarding memory usage.
6.1.0 is most voracious, even 16GB won't do it for both Master and CM on the same server...
i just sent a post to check if some Java settings or other tricks can help, but it seems to be a good idea to have seperate master and CM servers...
as for other tricky things, Powershell jobs, JDE connections, SQL connections are difficult to set up on the 6.1.0.
last but not least, you'll have to activate the command line interface from the shell AND from the web client to succeed in submitting CLI jobs, varset, jobmon, etc.
Fred from France.