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With Vincent Zhou
Welcome to the Cisco Support Community Ask the Expert conversation. This is an opportunity to get an update on preparing for the CCIE SP newest exam with Cisco expert Vincent Zhou. Vincent is a program manager with the CCIE Program at Cisco Systems, Inc. He is a quad CCIE (#4939) with certifications in routing and switching (1999), security (2003), service provider (2003) and voice (2006). Vincent manages the planning, design, content development, and deployment for CCIE service provider exams.
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Are there any plans to continue OEQ on the CCIE SP v3.0 exam or will there be an upcoming announcement to remove them in a similar fashion to the CCIE RS and CCIE Voice tracks?
Are there any plans to begin a Cisco 360 CCIE SP Learning Track offering again similar to that of the CCIE RS and CCIE Voice tracks that are already employed by Cisco? If so what is the timeframe?
What are references for a student to study in terms of Cisco Press Books and other materials, Cisco's website, 3rd party offerings etc. to help a candidate study for and obtain the CCIE SP v3.0 certification? (Please be specific and as comprehensive as your abilities permit).
There is NO Core knowledge section on the CCIE SP v3.0 lab exam. It uses same fashion like RS and Voice track.
I am regret at the moment having no idea on Cisco 360 CCIE Service Provider track plan.
For exam preparing reference, would you please refer to CLN website of Service Provider at https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/community/certifications/ccie_service_provider/lab_exam?tab=studylearn
Many thanks your questions!
Welcome back. Thank you for your generousity providing quality information to the CCIE SP community.
I recently sat the v2.0 exam and have the privilege to reappear for the exam later this year
Can you comment on how the lab format and exam environment has changed. This is not refleceted in the Sample Lab, do we for instance have access to a comm server to communicate with the virtualised routers. Given the fact that there is a variable number of devices I can imagine it would be beneficial to manage the terminal windows and preferably switch between sessions on a comm server.
Can you confirm this has not changed now the exam environment is all digital comparable to the CCIE R&S v4.0 exam?
Do you have any plans to host a CCIE SP breakout or techtorial at Cisco Live! in the near future?
Thank you again for your support!
The lab format of v2.0 is 0.5 hour Core knowledge section + 7.5 hour configuration section, and lab format of v3.0 is a single 8 hour integrate configuration and troublshooting section. The sample lab ( I think what you mean is the 7 parts I post on CLN website, please correct me if I am wrong) refelect some configuration questions, actually the question can also be re written as a troublshooting question.
The exam environment has changed to all digital, in other words, exam content will appear on candidate PC screen without paper booklet, click router/switch icon in the topology will automatically access each device console including real hardware routers and vitual routers. A terminal server also provide to candidate, from the terminal server, candidate can access real hardware device but not virtual device, it provide partly compatible with v2.0 exam environment.
I will not host CCIE SP techtorial in coming Cisco Live 2011 at Las Vegas, I am looking for next time :-)
Thanks and Reagrds,
Thank you for your reply.
I am happy with the new format of the Lab exam and appreciate that Cisco wants to make it as real as possible.
My concern is to get enough hands on on IOS-XR platform, which is a challenging as I do not work with IOS-XR on a daily basis and have limited access to equipment.
Does Cisco have any plans to offer Learning Labs through the CLN like they do for CCIP track? It would be great if IOS on UNIX router virtualisation can be utilized to familiarize with IOS-XR.
In the Sample Lab you refer to XR12404 platform, can you comment how the XR12K platform is utilized in the CCIE SP v3.0 exam. Is SDR used to create multiple router instances? Is it required to troubleshoot any platform specific features on the XR12K?
Your clarification is much appreciated.
Your concern is also our concern of candidate hand experience on IOS-XR platform. But at the moment, it's not imaginble for a SP expert without IOS-XR experience as IOS-XR plays very important role in today SP network, and we have to bring IOS-XR into SP certification.
I have no idea about offering learning labs of CCIE SP through CLN.
For a long time and in future, we try to validate candidate skill and knowledge basing on Cisco operating sytem rather than baseing on specific platform. To test IOS-XR, there are CRS-1, ASR9k and XR12k options to choose, considering candidate preparation, XR12k platform be chosen in CCIE SP lab. If candidate is easier to collect CRS-1 and/or ASR9k than XR12k to pratise, I do not think there is difference to prepare for SP exam :-) In other words, we test general IOS-XR feature, do not test specific platform feature. In actual lab, XR12ks have pre configured SDR to create logical router, candidate do not have privilege to modify SDR configuration, so the logical router look like a normal router to candidte. Hope this anwser your question and please let me know if more clarification.
I understand the motivation for using IOS-XR and do not want to question the use of high-end platforms in the exam.
I do work in a SP environment where the 7600 platform is used more prominently replacing older GSR12K running 12.0S. With some creativity I managed to get access to ASR9K from our friendly Cisco representatives using LabOps.
I do have another question regarding VPLS functionality supported on the XR12K.
If an IOS XR router is used as PE with 3.9.1 then H-VPLS is not supported as it requires IOS XR 4.0. To what extent can we expect Carrier Ethernet to be tested in the lab with the hardware and software that is available today?
Very good question reflecting you are knowledgeable on IOS-XR version.
IOS-XR 3.9.1 supports limited VPLS feature as your indication. In lab exam, all questions including HPLS and Carrier Ethernet is within this hardware and software version capability. I think such kind of lab question is relatively easy to do. If in future the software need upgrade to 4.0 or higher, we will give a six month ahead announcement on website, at the moment, the time plan of upgarding not be determined. Thank you for the question.
Question 1. The current pdf's that you have posted on the learning network that has a subset of the equipment listed on the actual lab, what is the percentage you think a canidate will get out of using this setup to the actual lab?
The first question you present is not easy to answer :-)
Yes it's a subset in perspective of equipment list of actual lab. Considering current SP technology area tested in lab, the sample lab covers nearly all of them. From question complexity level, the sample lab is not enough. From the on going devloping to fit SP industry request side, the sample lab need continue to add more equipment in future. I wish candidate having a good start to know the typical SP questions and how to impelement them on IOS and IOS-XR from the sample lab.
I think you are a good questioner, looking forward to your next question.
Question 2. As the service provider v3 lab is catering to the ISP community my question is what percentage of Cisco IP NGN architecture strategy is embedded in the thought processes of taking the CCIE v3 lab.
Strategy 1: Network convergence= %
Strategy 2: Service convergence= %
Strategy 3: Application convergence= % (this one is something that we really don't do but as the infrastructure relies on how the application strategy is laid out, maybe this also affect Cisco thinking on the CCIE-SP v3 lab?
Yes, when we deisgn CCIE v3 lab, we keep IP NGN in mind. And also we have much to think like SP engineer job rob, job skill, SP network structure, SP industry trend, SP core, edge and access technology, Managed service, etc. and another important thing is how many skill/technology a candidate should have and can be validated within 8 hours of practical. IP NGN architecture is not only strategy but also innovation ever developing, it has richful component and content, we try to fit as possible as we can to deliver the lab exam. It's difficult to test all IP NGN components and have to choose the main ones. For example, on network level, transport technology like DWDM, SONET/SDH, access technology like Dial, Cable, DSL, Wireless, managed/cloud service like Data center, unified computing, SP voice/video application, SP Mobility, etc are excluded from current lab exam.
I am glad to talk with you on high level design and thank your question, and welcome you share your idea of next phase SP v4 design, thanks.
I have a question with regard to PPPoE that is listed on the Lab blueprint.
The most obvious configuration is to have the CE router as the PPPoE Client, however the 12.2(33)SRE software does not seem to support PPPoE Client (nor did the 12.2S software that was used in the v2.0 exam). According to the Feature Navigator and Release Notes the ME 3400E 12.2(54)SE nor IOS XR 3.9.1. support the PPPoE Client feature. Does this mean that PPPoE Client can be disregared as it cannot be tested?
2.3. PPP connections
R14#configure terminal Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z. R14(config)#interface Ethernet1/0 R14(config-if)#pppoe-client dial-pool-number 1 ^ % Invalid input detected at '^' marker. R14(config-if)#pppoe-client ? % Unrecognized command R14(config-if)#do show version | include IOS Cisco IOS Software, 7200 Software (C7200-ADVIPSERVICESK9-M), Version 12.2(33)SRE3, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) R14(config-if)#^Z R14#
does SP lab use the same topology as the new SP OPS? I sat the SP OPS lab and it had a setup that sort of matches the new SP equipment lest (apart for ASRs)
Have you checked out the Sample Lab that Vincent published three weeks ago? It has a Sample Topology that resembles the actual Lab, although the number of (virtualised) routers are variable.
You can download the complete Sample Lab here: https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-11851
CCIE Service Provider and CCIE SP Opertion are two independant certifications. Equipment list has some diffence and Topology is not similar.
Can you please eloborate on the how we can prepare for the objectives outlined in section 5, specifically the Voice/Video and Security services traversing the core. Does this implicitly refers to QoS methods like classification, marking, congestion avoidance, congestion mgmt, etc. ?
Should the canidate be able to identify the referenced protocols and does he/she needs to know the characteristics of the traffic and the preffered traffic treatment?
|5.||Implement, Optimize and Troubleshoot Managed Services Traversing the Core|
|5.1.||Managed Voice/Video services traversing the core|
|5.1.1.||Traverse Voice/video packet|
|5.1.2.||Traverse call signal packet|
|5.2.||Managed Security services traversing the core|
|5.2.1.||Traverse IKE packet|
|5.2.2.||Traverse ESP, AH packet|
|5.2.3.||Traverse SSL packet|
Good question and thank you init so I'd like to say somthing on this section. Managed service is a broad cocept including much content. It's important for SP engineer to know so SP exam introduce this section. In SP exam, candidate do not be reqested to configure specific Voice/Vedio and IPsec feature as we have dedicate exam track. Your understanding is exactly correct, candidate should identify the paket characteristics and apply appropariate policy including classification, marking, etc. Candidate will NOT be requested to generate such kind of traffic.
I have a few administrative questions:
Lab rules say we're not allowed to bring anything into the lab.
What about snacks and meds such as allergy pills?
Will there be a locker to hold our personal items, since they cannot be brought into the lab?
Many candidates may need to take a cab or shuttle to the lab, so we can't put them in the car while taking the exam.
Also in the exam confirmation email it says:
"Please ensure that you bring photo identification, your Cisco CCO User ID, and your VUE ID to the lab"
What's the VUE ID? Is that just the username we use to log into Pearson Vue's website?
Or is that something similar to the CSCO number assigned by Cisco?
There is locker for each candidate, candidate can save snacks and medcines in locker and candidates can put their large luggage in lab.
The photo indentification is important to show to proctor, I think the VUE ID is the ID used when candidate taking written exam.
Thanks and Regards,
Now we have the opportunity to ask questions, can you eleborate on the content development process for CCIE SP.
How much time does it generally takes to develop minor and major releases and how are the lab exams tested?
I guess Cisoc uses internal alpha/beta testing before the written and lab exams are released to general public.
Thanks for your kind support.
And I already started to work on GN3.
Now, please let me know this is possible to achieve all CCIE practicals on GN3 with going to any hardware practice???
This is very important to know for achieving the CCIE.
Again need your help looking hopefully towards you.
I have no experience on GN3, and I have to say I have no idea of how much it can simulate CCIE SP lab, thanks for your understanding.
I am CCNA and currently working in a telecom industry and preparing for CCNP itself.
My dream is to become CCIE in R&S and SP.
But I cant understand how to get prepared for these courses. Is this possible to do all kind of lab practice on any simulators like Boson and GNS3 and it will help to achieve the certification and appropriate knowledge on it bcoz I want to achieve this with a certain amount of time and I dont want spend loads of money over the training.
So, I need your suggestion and help over this scenario.
Thanks you have interest on CCIE R&S and SP.
I think pactice is very important to pass CCIE exam as CCIE focus much on hands experience/skill. Hardware equipments or any equivalent simulator can all help candidate to practise. Wish you a good luck.
I am somewhat puzzled by the presence of both Service Provider and a relatively newly introduced Service Provider Operations certification tracks. I tried to go over the certification requirements to see what is the difference between the two but at the end of the day, I was still confused. They overlap a lot in my opinion.
Can you please try to explain what is the intended audience and focus of these individual certification tracks, and what is the actual reason of having two partially overlaping service provider-oriented tracks?
Thank you very much!
Good question, but the question is beyond my responsibility to answer. I think Service Provider validating more on candidate's engineering skill and SPO validating more on operation skill. Thanks in adavance for your understanding.
Lab temperature may vary in different sites. It's better for a candidate taking jacket and jean to replace shirt and shorts in case of lab cold, thanks.
Yes, IPv6 has been into SPv3 certification. This is to fit the SP industry trend of IPv6 transition. There will be IPv6 SP core unicast and multicast routing and IPv6 VPN of level 3 and level 2. Please note that IPv6 questions will not so difficult at the beginning and will grow with time going. Hope this can answer, many thanks.
Hi Vincent, thanks for taking your time to answer these questions.
I have two questions about the blueprint:
1.5.17 Inter-Domain MPLS TE: from references on the internet I think this means Inter-AS MPLS TE, but I don't find any references on cisco.com. Can you confirm this and point to some relevant documentation?
1.8.13 Embedded event management: To what extent is this included in the exam?, full EEM would probably imply TCL programming, but I don't think this is included, right? Can you give some reference on what might be included?
IPv6: is 6PE, 6VPE, 6to4 tunnels, ISATAP tunnels, etc included on the exam?, these are not mentioned on the blueprint but some of them are common enough to maybe be included, can you confirm?
Inter-Domain MPLS TE is similar to Inter-AS MPLS TE, for example please refer to the link of http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/docs/ios/mpls/configuration/guide/mp_te_inter_as_te_ps6922_TSD_Products_Configuration_Guide_Chapter.html
It's difficult to deliver the whole Embedded event management feature test, and TCL programming may inlcuded in lab test. The lab test is validate candidate knowing about EEM and the basic configuration on router. for example MPLS EEM, please refer to url of http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/docs/ios/mpls/configuration/guide/mp_ldp_te_lsp_vccv_ps6922_TSD_Products_Configuration_Guide_Chapter.html
In the lab blueprint, IP includes IPv4 and IPv6, so IPv6 will not specialy listed. As SP industry is gradully transit to inlucing IPv6, IPv6 feature will gradully popular in lab exam.
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